Do Not buy before they remove Denuvo from Persona 5 Royal

[Mumrah]

I was looking forward to this game. I did research about the game, it's release date, and put it on my calendar. Now that the game has a store page and I read that it has Denuvo, I won't be buying it.

I suggest for those to wait for a deep sale of the game and the removal of Denuvo before buying.

If you can't wait, please be aware that you must be online in order to play this single player game so that they can check that you paid for the game. If the Denuvo service is down or the company that employed it goes out of business, you can't play the game.

Persona 5 released 9/2016 - 6 years ago
Persona 5 Royal released 10/2019 - 3 years ago
I can't fathom why they would need to put DRM on a game this old. People already have pirated the game and patched it to circumvent the DRM. The only reason DRM exists is greed. I wished people didn't have to resort to pirating, but I don't care if people do if it means circumventing anti-consumer practices that only fuels greed.

Games sold very well before Denuvo. Gaming companies would go out of business the moment they release their game, if pirating was the culprit. It's not. Blind fanboyism, ignorance, and corporate greed, are the killers of games.

Customers affected by Denuvo:

1. Risk of not being able to play the game you purchased.
   
2. Poor implementation can affect performance of your game.
   
3. Program running in the background.
   
4. High risk of this program and business practices getting out of hand.
   
5. Needing to "check in" online to verify your purchase.
   
6. Not owning what you paid for.*

Pirates affected by Denuvo:

1. Having to crack Denuvo to circumvent bad business practices or of course, to get the game for free. Typically, difficult to do.

*6.Yes, technically you are paying for the license to play the game, not the game itself. Problem here is that, they still have their tether wrapped around the license you paid for, where denying you access to your license is a real possibility, and they will most likely forget that you paid for this and not refund you. So when someone says they own the game, they are basically saying they bought the license to the game that enables them to access it.
This license is put in place to protect the intellectual property of the game. Making selling copies of a game illegal. This is why all ROMS are free. Even so, sharing ROMS is also illegal. The main idea is to buy the game, and make your own back up copies; this is completely within our rights. Fortunately, companies have no hand in this, but they are trying their damnedest to take that away from you too.
Nintendo of course keeps reselling their old games to justify them attacking ROM sites. Mario 3 is a great game, doubt anyone would want to buy the old cart that may not work after all these years to be able to play it on a non-Nintendo system. Nintendo is the Apple of gaming.

Extra side note for the silly people thinking I'm actually telling them what to do and think I somehow have power over them by saying what I said in the title: Grow up. I can't make you do anything. Buy the game, don't buy the game; I won't lose sleep and I don't care. I made this thread for those who do care about the topic. Plenty do and plenty don't. If you want to troll, you are only providing me with entertainment.

I will be waiting for a huge sale and the removal of Denuvo. This way the company will get the least amount of revenue and I can actually play the game I paid for without having to ask for permission.

[ℤ𝕚𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕒𝕤]

I totally understand what you are saying but let's be real denuvo will never be removed anytime soon and looking at there other games with denuvo mostlikley that denuvo will never be removed, reality is that game will sell and the small amount of people that will not buy it because denuvo is drop in a bucket, that said I will probably pick it up sooner or later not that keen on waiting years to get a 75% discount not getting any younger that's for sure.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love Denuvo.

[Double]

I absolutely can wait, I'm just not going to. I'll start caring about Denuvo if it ever causes noticeable issues in the games I play that can be traced to Denuvo or its implementation and the devs don't address said issues within a reasonable time frame.

Personally, I've purchased and played a dozen or so games with Denuvo and did not notice any issues that were caused by Denuvo. I'm not denying that Denuvo can cause issues or has caused issues, but I am saying that I personally have not experienced any.

[UrGrue]

Very simple solution:

On October 21st Persona 5 royal PC is coming to - a certain "game pass" (that also includes PC games) that costs 1€ to test for the first month...

Okay SEGA - there goes your sale - well done!

[Double]

UrGrue님이 먼저 게시:

Very simple solution:

On October 21st Persona 5 royal PC is coming to - a certain "game pass" (that also includes PC games) that costs 1€ to test for the first month...

Okay SEGA - there goes your sale - well done!

Or yeah, just do this lol. Probably the best option if you don't want to wait and detest Denuvo (or if you like saving money).

I just want to throw my money at Atlus, personally.

[UrGrue]

Beanpole님이 먼저 게시:

I just want to throw my money at Atlus, personally.

I have zero problems supporting a developer/publisher that actually cares. I also have no real problem with DENUVO (if it is removed from a game after a certain time). I just refuse to support SEGA's DENUVO titles.

[Mumrah]

Zilitas님이 먼저 게시:

I totally understand what you are saying but let's be real denuvo will never be removed anytime soon and looking at there other games with denuvo mostlikley that denuvo will never be removed, reality is that game will sell and the small amount of people that will not buy it because denuvo is drop in a bucket, that said I will probably pick it up sooner or later not that keen on waiting years to get a 75% discount not getting any younger that's for sure.

What you say makes plenty of sense and I know this. The fact that I made this thread is also pointless, but it needs to be said, so that more people will wise up. It has been done before for other games launching with Denuvo, and it was removed because of backlash.

If Denuvo won't be removed, then emulation is the way to go, and I do not feel bad about it.

Beanpole님이 먼저 게시:

I absolutely can wait, I'm just not going to. I'll start caring about Denuvo if it ever causes noticeable issues in the games I play that can be traced to Denuvo or its implementation and the devs don't address said issues within a reasonable time frame.

Personally, I've purchased and played a dozen or so games with Denuvo and did not notice any issues that were caused by Denuvo. I'm not denying that Denuvo can cause issues or has caused issues, but I am saying that I personally have not experienced any.

Yes, this is the mentality of, "If it doesn't affect me, no one else matters." While it affects countless people and their games, you continue to contribute to the problem. It's very shortsighted.

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It's about sending a message, whether it be heard or not. I don't care if the company hears it. It's the consumers that needs to sit up and take notice so they can send a message that matters to the companies: Money. If companies stand to lose a profit, they will most likely do something about it.

[LegacyXI]

Thanks for the heads up. Guess I can add this developer to my never buy list.

[Aloy]

and they will never port another persona game on PC,GG

[Mumrah]

Aloe님이 먼저 게시:

and they will never port another persona game on PC,GG

Or they can port games without DRM. It has been done for years.

[TSVStriFe]

UrGrue님이 먼저 게시:

Very simple solution:

On October 21st Persona 5 royal PC is coming to - a certain "game pass" (that also includes PC games) that costs 1€ to test for the first month...

Okay SEGA - there goes your sale - well done!

Meh I don't use those game pass thingies. I prefer to OWN my games and not just rent it.

[TSVStriFe]

TSVStriFe님이 먼저 게시:

UrGrue님이 먼저 게시:

Very simple solution:

On October 21st Persona 5 royal PC is coming to - a certain "game pass" (that also includes PC games) that costs 1€ to test for the first month...

Okay SEGA - there goes your sale - well done!

Meh I don't use those game pass thingies. I prefer to OWN my games and not just rent it.

Mumrah님이 먼저 게시:

Aloe님이 먼저 게시:

and they will never port another persona game on PC,GG

Or they can port games without DRM. It has been done for years.

Yeah and then they'll lose income due to everybody and their mum pirate the crap out of the games. It's their right to use a DRM to protect their IP.

[Mumrah]

TSVStriFe님이 먼저 게시:

Mumrah님이 먼저 게시:

Or they can port games without DRM. It has been done for years.

Yeah and then they'll lose income due to everybody and their mum pirate the crap out of the games. It's their right to use a DRM to protect their IP.

Both your statements contradict the other.

DRM essentially is renting the game. The games existence depends on the DRM's support. Offline games with DRM essentially mean they are online games. Consumers who don't know about pirating will be punished for paying for a game they themselves have the rights to.

Yes, the investors have the right to "protect" their investment. They don't care about the consumers. They are naive to think this will stop pirates. DRM's are essentially added to appease the investors. DRM has NEVER stopped pirating and never will.

People who complain about DRM are those who don't want to resort to pirating and actually own the games they pay for.

[『Yoshi278』]

No :)

[Emerald Lance]

No.

I dislike DMR, but not enough to keep myself from playing the game. It hasn't caused enough issue for me to make me even consider not buying it.