Let's talk endings [Spoiler Alert, obviously.]

[treahnurb]

I'm curious what you guys ended up with. I got the feelings that even the obvious endings can be quite different?
I ended up with Aubarycy crashing my window and he and me beating the hell out of that Okhrana chief (I let Aubarycy do the shot). Then decided to just take Ligia and flew with her to Prais, where dearest Mommy seemed to be incredibly "happy" to see us. Bit of a tearful goodbye from Aubarycy, who organized our getaway but he didn't want to join when asked. Well he's essentially ruling Warsaw now so he got that going for him.
I am quite satisfied with that ending for "my" Wiktor but I am curious what you guys got?
I tried the Rasputin path too at the end afterwards and, well, it did NOT end well at all.

[Knives]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

That actually sounds like a rather good ending. I'm still on the try for the Coterie ending (ain't no way I give up a Salutor just to make the Rasputin fight easier!) but if I get something similar like that, I might keep it x) (would just love to swap Wanda affair with Abaurycy affair lol)

But it seems we do not really get rid of R, do we? Even in my ending, chilling in Paris, I suddenly heard his voice in my head.

Has anyone tried to let Wanda shoot Skola or whatshisname?

I assume his voice popping up is a way to setup for some dlc or a sequel.
I haven't tried letting Wanda deal with Skola yet, but I assume doing so makes talks with the Tsar difficult, at least doing a Coterie ending.

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by vermouth:

Originally posted by treahnurb:

I'm still on the try for the Coterie ending (ain't no way I give up a Salutor just to make the Rasputin fight easier!)

I removed all additional attacks that cause Viktor to be exposed (Berserker, etc.) and replaced them with more defensive ones. Additionally, during the fight I often tried to use Upyr to remove status effects from Viktor (e.g. bleeding). If you don't do this, at some point in stage 3 of the fight, your health may suddenly drop to near zero.
But even then, I had a crisis moment and I had to select the sequence of actions very precisely for several rounds

My biggest problem is the debuff that you receive damage according to your lost focus and that you lose twice the amount of focus....
I mean yeah, there's Krampus who gives you focus back but for health and there's the upgrade to receive 3 Focus but I feel like my Focus drains harder than I can recharge it.

[Brooks]

The question is how did you develop your skills' tree ?
I upgraded it evenly, so I had level 6 of the Heart and Mind dimension and 5 for the others
It seems to me that I had such a skill that restore focus and also Jinn refills health (24 but you should use them one time for 3 turns at most)

[Brooks]

Originally posted by vermouth:

The question is how did you develop your skills' tree ?
I upgraded it evenly, so I had level 6 of the Heart and Mind dimension and 5 for the others
It seems to me that I had such a skill that restore focus and also Jiinn refills health (24 but you should use them one time for 3 turns at most)

In this final fight, I used Upyr and Jiinn the most

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by vermouth:

The question is how did you develop your skills' tree ?
I upgraded it evenly, so I had level 6 of the Heart and Mind dimension and 5 for the others
It seems to me that I had such a skill that restore focus and also Jinn refills health (24 but you should use them one time for 3 turns at most)

I upgraded evenly, as good as I could, but have max rank in Heart. I got the third attack for Heart and .. damn I think it's Mind? Yeah must be Mind (Focus reduce etc). Couldn't develop Deed due to lack of Golem.
I managed so far to get down to one last copy of me (and haven't had the time to try again yet).

I think I used Upyr the most here, to keep myself free from bleeding etc reducing enemy Focus (he can do it faster than Lelek so idk).

My most successful try, Veles carried my booty with big heals, too but well he's luck based.

[Brooks]

Suppose the prob is you used maybe the hints from game (which salutor is the best), I often used other salutors even if it was not recommended

[JereG]

Has anyone seen other sidequests than the albequerqeu one appear in the epilogue drawings? If not, then I suspects either a dlc or sequel if the game does well enough.

[krd]

I went for coterie ending, but unfortunately without Ariel. Yes, I took the Golem from him because it was MINE, MINE! Felt really bad about taking Lidia's flaw, didn't really want it and thought I'm doing her a favor. Thought it was called a "flaw" for a reason. I let Abaurycy finish the ochrana chief, and felt good about it too. I had a little chuckle when they just buried him in the backyard.
Got my demands met from the Tzar, put Rasputin in his place and I kept all my salutors because they are ALL... well, you know what.

<my flaw glowing red- salutor greed>

PS. I'm polish and I have never heard a name "Abaurycy". There is a "Maurycy". Either it's really old school and nobody uses it anymore or they made it up for the game.

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by vermouth:

Suppose the prob is you used maybe the hints from game (which salutor is the best), I often used other salutors even if it was not recommended

No, not really. I only use them when the effect is really ugly, like 80% damage resist or healing after every round. The reduced focus thing for eg is not that bad. Plus, you can also disable every trait by reducing all their focus. Well I mean I've been close, I guess it's just a very hard fight if you want to keep all Salutors, so far I've never struggled in any fight at all so it's a nice challenge!

Originally posted by JereG:

Has anyone seen other sidequests than the albequerqeu one appear in the epilogue drawings? If not, then I suspects either a dlc or sequel if the game does well enough.

I had also Aubaurycy Sidequest as epilogue drawing (and that drawing was super nice I have to say! In case you're curious: https://ibb.co/ydgD7Gz lot's of things about that artwork are very on point) and Flying University.

Originally posted by krd:

PS. I'm polish and I have never heard a name "Abaurycy". There is a "Maurycy". Either it's really old school and nobody uses it anymore or they made it up for the game.

Wow thanks for mentioning that it's not a common Polish name. I struggle to write yet pronounce it, so he's usually just "Blondie" for me, lol. If you google the name, only Thaumaturge shows up - I wonder if there's a story behind that name? I mean the devs are Polish, so I guess they made it up for a reason but why?

[ElfPrince1937]

Just finished myself and went with the Coterie Ending. It felt most like a kind of "Assassin's Creed"-style conclusion, and felt appropriate, imho.

I know Wiktor's probably supposed to come off as naive in the beginning, having just met Rasputin, but it definitely becomes apparent toward the later half of the game just how unhealthy their relationship is--he literally makes Wiktor kneel before him and beg forgiveness. And why? Because "can I have some time to think about it, sorry for not having absolute faith in you."

Just from a lore/canon perspective, I like to think that part of the game, when just the option of forming his own coterie comes up, is when Wiktor really starts to reevaluate their relationship, realizing he can either keep being dependent on Rasputin, or he can actually be in a coterie as an equal among equals.

Obviously, that tension inevitably comes to a head with the final boss (which, frankly, was terrifying af), but it's done in a truly-believable way, imho.

For stuff along the way, I took the boy's Flaw because by that point, I was playing "Moral Wiktor," and the poor kid literally says he doesn't want it...and why would he? He's a defenseless child being tormented by demons.

I also took Ligia's Flaw, but on the whole, I interpreted Wiktor as being snarky and arrogant (Pride is his Flaw), but also being driven by a strong moral compass for the most part. So I feel like the Coterie Ending can probably be considered the/a "Good Ending," all things considered.

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by Darkgamester301:

For stuff along the way, I took the boy's Flaw because by that point, I was playing "Moral Wiktor," and the poor kid literally says he doesn't want it...and why would he? He's a defenseless child being tormented by demons.

That's an interesting view on the boys Flaw. I let him keep it exactly because I played Moral Wiktor too - and I thought back to the time when he met Upyr and noone was there to help him. That boy now knows and taking away the Flaw would mean he would never meet his first Salutor and I know how broken Wiktor was about the fact that he lost connection to Upyr!

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

That's an interesting view on the boys Flaw. I let him keep it exactly because I played Moral Wiktor too - and I thought back to the time when he met Upyr and noone was there to help him. That boy now knows and taking away the Flaw would mean he would never meet his first Salutor and I know how broken Wiktor was about the fact that he lost connection to Upyr!

But see, I feel like that only works if Wiktor were to, say, bring the boy into the Coterie Jedi-style and actually mentor him in how Thaumaturgy works.

And that's the problem, that the boy is on his own in this and just sees demons everywhere and is of course terrified, being a child with no real guidance on this subject.

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by Darkgamester301:

Originally posted by treahnurb:

That's an interesting view on the boys Flaw. I let him keep it exactly because I played Moral Wiktor too - and I thought back to the time when he met Upyr and noone was there to help him. That boy now knows and taking away the Flaw would mean he would never meet his first Salutor and I know how broken Wiktor was about the fact that he lost connection to Upyr!

But see, I feel like that only works if Wiktor were to, say, bring the boy into the Coterie Jedi-style and actually mentor him in how Thaumaturgy works.

And that's the problem, that the boy is on his own in this and just sees demons everywhere and is of course terrified, being a child with no real guidance on this subject.

But he knows about it. He knows not to be afraid, he knows that all of this is fine. Plus who knows, whenever he finally gets his first Salutor, the Coterie might be around and there to help him.

But I see your point.

[treahnurb]

And finally managed the Coterie ending too (without losing any of my Salutors, my pride - yep - won't let me lose them, psch). I had Ariel in the epilogue, obviously, and he hinted bad things to come for Warsaw or at least for Jews, homosexuals and Thaumaturges...

I guess I do prefer the Paris-ending I had originally. But this one is nice, too and at least I can stay in Warsaw and get drunk with Abaurycy. But Ligia's apathy is saddening....

However no matter what ending, having Rasputin's voice in the end clearly gives me hope for a DLC or something!

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

I had Ariel in the epilogue, obviously, and he hinted bad things to come for Warsaw or at least for Jews, homosexuals and Thaumaturges...
...
However no matter what ending, having Rasputin's voice in the end clearly gives me hope for a DLC or something!

Honestly, even with the Coterie Ending being a "positive outcome," I will say that the thing that makes this game so interesting is also sadly the thing that kept me from fully enjoying it.

That is, the history.

Like, it's honestly kind of tragic, seeing all this foreshadowing in 1905 and especially in the Coterie Ending. "Bad things are coming for Warsaw," Ariel?

No %$&#.

Like, I know you're ideally meant to play the game and immerse yourself in its present, but just knowing the RL history kind of kept me from feeling too good about how things turned out.

Because anyone who knows what's going to happen in the next decade knows that all the Coterie's efforts to get the Tsar's protection ultimately mean jack. It's literally all going to fall apart and go to %$&#.

Needless to say, that's kind of depressing to think about.