Cost of Diesel Fuel

[Biggie Cheese]

I'm very new at this game and I have just unlocked the East Whittier Diesel Refueling Stand and a single dome tank car. Though I am MILES away from getting diesels(I just bought the cheapest pacific as my most advanced engine so far), I was still wondering how much it costs to fill up the tanker. Mainly because I don't have much of a wallet due to me having to loan $3,000 for a passenger car for Bryson occupancy[thanks for that by the way ):< ], so I'm hoping it's not more than $1,000. Please tell me it's not over $1,000.

[AoFA | FightDrug *-* [GER]]

i think a diesel load was by 3.000 $ per waggon but to be fair that stuff is holding forever

[Rockymnt]

Don't worry. Appreciate the value of money now. As you play and take on more work and higher tiers you make more and more money. In fact, I'm on tier five of almost all industries, have all the locos and cars I need and I find I don't even have to think about money. My current balance is $66,686 and I have need of nothing so my balance just grows and grows. But it does take a while to get to that point. So enjoy the value of a dollar while it means soemthing. Money being "tight" is a good part of the game.

[bfcmik]

The initial 4000 gallons in the tank at Whittier will last a LONG time. The 2 diesels in the game are very economic in their fuel use. Don't bother buying a tank car until you need to, by then the money will be easily managed. Get your sawmill cars delivered and the level upgraded - tier 4 uses 21 car loads a day and pays around 2k per day. You will need your cash for buying locos and the extension to either Alarka Junction or Sylva.

You say you have a car for Bryson occupancy - why? Just shuttle your passenger train back and forth from Whittier to Bryson using your AI driver. You will earn far, far more than you spend, the more it runs the more passengers appear. Don't fall into the US way of railroading that considers passenger trains "a nuisance" - they are true revenue generators, which is what they were until the 1950s when the personal car and air travel decimated rail usage.

[Kerry]

Originally posted by bfcmik:

Don't fall into the US way of railroading that considers passenger trains "a nuisance" - they are true revenue generators, which is what they were until the 1950s when the personal car and air travel decimated rail usage.

Um, the only problem with that statement is that this IS set in the United States, in the 1950s...

[bfcmik]

Originally posted by Kerry:

Originally posted by bfcmik:

Don't fall into the US way of railroading that considers passenger trains "a nuisance" - they are true revenue generators, which is what they were until the 1950s when the personal car and air travel decimated rail usage.

Um, the only problem with that statement is that this IS set in the United States, in the 1950s...

Yeah! Sorry, should have said modern US railroad thinking

But then I did go on to mention they were an important source of revenue and profit until the late 1950s

[Kerry]

Originally posted by bfcmik:

Originally posted by Kerry:

Um, the only problem with that statement is that this IS set in the United States, in the 1950s...

Yeah! Sorry, should have said modern US railroad thinking

But then I did go on to mention they were an important source of revenue and profit until the late 1950s

Well, there's a problem with that too... Connor/Dorninerd (the guy with the Developer tag) is a former AMTRAK (as in modern US passenger rail) conductor...

[CMDR Sweeper]

How is that incorrect? I mean the passenger trains are viewed as an annoying thing by the railroads that dropped it like a hot potato to focus on freight.
Which is why in the US you have the odd system of freight being prioritized over passenger.

But once you get across the pond, freight has to wait for passenger trains.

So I fail to see why the dev having history with Amtrak tracks with this...

[Kerry]

Originally posted by CMDR Sweeper:

How is that incorrect? I mean the passenger trains are viewed as an annoying thing by the railroads that dropped it like a hot potato to focus on freight.
Which is why in the US you have the odd system of freight being prioritized over passenger.

But once you get across the pond, freight has to wait for passenger trains.

So I fail to see why the dev having history with Amtrak tracks with this...

Actually, that's not quite true. Passenger was only dropped because the railroads were losing money on passenger trains, especially on dining car service.

Even to this day AMTRAK struggles to make money, and the dining car is STILL the least profitable service provided. (I think the first time AMTRAK was profitable in its' entire history was the late 2010s, it was big news at the time.)

Volume is everything on passenger travel. The more passengers you have, the more money you make. And the less passengers, the less money.

Once passenger volume starts to drop, because of factors like a faster and more convenient method of travel (such as airplanes and automobiles), then passenger service will rapidly start to lose money.

Freight trains don't have this problem, or at least not as severely as passenger trains did. That means freight makes more money per car load than passengers.

[TheLostPenguin]

Originally posted by Rockymnt:

Don't worry. Appreciate the value of money now. As you play and take on more work and higher tiers you make more and more money. In fact, I'm on tier five of almost all industries, have all the locos and cars I need and I find I don't even have to think about money. My current balance is $66,686 and I have need of nothing so my balance just grows and grows. But it does take a while to get to that point. So enjoy the value of a dollar while it means soemthing. Money being "tight" is a good part of the game.

About the only thing I'd disagree with here is that it takes a while to get to the point of cash just rolling in. It happens very very fast at present, to the extent that I'd say there is about zero financial difficulty to the game as things are right now. Sure you have to wait a day or two between buying new wagons or coaches at the very start, but unless you're pretty much trying to lose money, or ignore the sawmill indefinitely, you'll always be profitable.

[Biggie Cheese]

First of all, thank you all very much for your answers, and second of all, my GOD that was fast! To post something in RRO would take DAYS to get ONE response, but nine overnight?!?! Y'all have bullet fingers, I swear.

[Biggie Cheese]

Originally posted by bfcmik:

The initial 4000 gallons in the tank at Whittier will last a LONG time. The 2 diesels in the game are very economic in their fuel use. Don't bother buying a tank car until you need to, by then the money will be easily managed. Get your sawmill cars delivered and the level upgraded - tier 4 uses 21 car loads a day and pays around 2k per day. You will need your cash for buying locos and the extension to either Alarka Junction or Sylva.

You say you have a car for Bryson occupancy - why? Just shuttle your passenger train back and forth from Whittier to Bryson using your AI driver. You will earn far, far more than you spend, the more it runs the more passengers appear. Don't fall into the US way of railroading that considers passenger trains "a nuisance" - they are true revenue generators, which is what they were until the 1950s when the personal car and air travel decimated rail usage.

I bought the passenger car because I knew that adding a city like this(I think it's the biggest one)would increase the number of passengers to more than 60, and I don't like to keep passengers waiting at the station. I bought the tank car for future prepping of diesels(despite the fact that I have 3 engines, all of the cheapest(Starter Mogul, Starter Ten-Wheeler, and the Cheapest pacific(Pretty sure it's based off Little River RR 110. I live like an hour and a half away from it)).

[kildar501]

One thing that I don't think anybody pointed out is that you can open the Locations menu. On there, click on any of the engine service locations. It will show on the menu screen on the right a list of things like the amount of repair parts you have on hand, the amount of diesel or coal you have on hand, etc. It will also list the amount it costs to get a carload of parts, coal or diesel fuel. As the coaling sites vary in size, what you need there varies as well obviously. However, the diesel fueling sites all hold 16,000 gallons total and start out with 4,000 gallons. Each tank car holds 8,000 gallons of diesel. Some of the spots, like East Whittier, can actually fit 2 tank cars at a time so you can fill your underground tanks over the course of a day or two (The diesel fills sloooooowly.) So, fill your tanks and then kick back because the diesel locomotives only need refilled every few days vs every day for the steam locomotives.

[Biggie Cheese]

Originally posted by kildar501:

One thing that I don't think anybody pointed out is that you can open the Locations menu. On there, click on any of the engine service locations. It will show on the menu screen on the right a list of things like the amount of repair parts you have on hand, the amount of diesel or coal you have on hand, etc. It will also list the amount it costs to get a carload of parts, coal or diesel fuel. As the coaling sites vary in size, what you need there varies as well obviously. However, the diesel fueling sites all hold 16,000 gallons total and start out with 4,000 gallons. Each tank car holds 8,000 gallons of diesel. Some of the spots, like East Whittier, can actually fit 2 tank cars at a time so you can fill your underground tanks over the course of a day or two (The diesel fills sloooooowly.) So, fill your tanks and then kick back because the diesel locomotives only need refilled every few days vs every day for the steam locomotives.

Thank you for the info! Like I said, I don't have any diesels yet, but I can probably relate from how slowly tank cars unload at Hollifield Heating Oil. Thank you though!

[kildar501]

Originally posted by Biggie Cheese:

Originally posted by kildar501:

One thing that I don't think anybody pointed out is that you can open the Locations menu. On there, click on any of the engine service locations. It will show on the menu screen on the right a list of things like the amount of repair parts you have on hand, the amount of diesel or coal you have on hand, etc. It will also list the amount it costs to get a carload of parts, coal or diesel fuel. As the coaling sites vary in size, what you need there varies as well obviously. However, the diesel fueling sites all hold 16,000 gallons total and start out with 4,000 gallons. Each tank car holds 8,000 gallons of diesel. Some of the spots, like East Whittier, can actually fit 2 tank cars at a time so you can fill your underground tanks over the course of a day or two (The diesel fills sloooooowly.) So, fill your tanks and then kick back because the diesel locomotives only need refilled every few days vs every day for the steam locomotives.

Thank you for the info! Like I said, I don't have any diesels yet, but I can probably relate from how slowly tank cars unload at Hollifield Heating Oil. Thank you though!

Okay, call me a liar. I was just in the game killing a little time until the wife came to pick me up at work. I went to look at those menus I mentioned and the costs aren't there anymore. Nor were they any other places I though to look. Fudge.....

You can still see how much stock you have on those. I seem to recall that coal costs $150 for a 50 ton car. More for the bigger 82.5 ton car. Diesel was a couple thousand dollars for a single tanker but, like we said, it lasts forever it seems. Repair parts for the largest box car you can buy was north of $3300 per load.

[Knsgf]

Consumable costs are actually listed on the interchange track page in the company window.