1893 passenger car

[Jamseven]

Why does the 1893 passenger car (edit, the coach, not the observation car) hold the least amount of people, yet is the most expensive? Doesn't really make sense from a progression/gameplay perspective, and really just discourages people from using arguably the best looking passenger cars in game.

[Oilman25]

The 1893 Pullman Parlor Car is a luxury first class passenger car so something not mean for every day passengers, but passengers who can pay extra money for nicer seats, somewhere to play Gambling games and just sight seeing on their travels.

[Bryer]

In all seriousness, learn about what the car you are referring to actually was before moaning its overpriced....

[Jamseven]

Originally posted by mnjmom3:

The 1893 Pullman Parlor Car is a luxury first class passenger car so something not mean for every day passengers, but passengers who can pay extra money for nicer seats, somewhere to play Gambling games and just sight seeing on their travels.

I'm not talking about the observation car that provides a 20% bonus to the ticket fares, I'm talking about the normal 1893 coach that holds 10 people less than the starting 1900 open platform coach, yet is $2,200 more expensive. my apologies if my wording of my original post made you think I was talking about the observation car

[Jamseven]

Originally posted by Bryer:

In all seriousness, learn about what the car you are referring to actually was before moaning its overpriced....

I'll start off by saying that I don't mean the obs car, I mean the normal coach variant that holds less people than the 1900 coach, but is more expensive. There's no reason to be rude about it.

[Lemon Friend]

Originally posted by Jamseven:

Originally posted by mnjmom3:

The 1893 Pullman Parlor Car is a luxury first class passenger car so something not mean for every day passengers, but passengers who can pay extra money for nicer seats, somewhere to play Gambling games and just sight seeing on their travels.

I'm not talking about the observation car that provides a 20% bonus to the ticket fares, I'm talking about the normal 1893 coach that holds 10 people less than the starting 1900 open platform coach, yet is $2,200 more expensive. my apologies if my wording of my original post made you think I was talking about the observation car

Unfortunately, mnjmom3 used the wrong word. Their post refers to the 1893 Pullman Palace car. However, the content of the post was correct.

[Jamseven]

Originally posted by Lemon Friend:

Originally posted by Jamseven:

I'm not talking about the observation car that provides a 20% bonus to the ticket fares, I'm talking about the normal 1893 coach that holds 10 people less than the starting 1900 open platform coach, yet is $2,200 more expensive. my apologies if my wording of my original post made you think I was talking about the observation car

Unfortunately, mnjmom3 used the wrong word. Their post refers to the 1893 Pullman Palace car. However, the content of the post was correct.

But the regular coach version of the 1893 car doesn't provide a bonus to ticket fares, unless I'm mistaken. It certainly doesn't list any such bonus in the description, unlike the observation car. As it sits now it just works as a more expensive, less capacity coach.

[Lemon Friend]

Originally posted by Jamseven:

But the regular coach version of the 1893 car doesn't provide a bonus to ticket fares, unless I'm mistaken. It certainly doesn't list any such bonus in the description, unlike the observation car. As it sits now it just works as a more expensive, less capacity coach.

You are correct, if you are looking at it from the perspective of a gamer. However, from the perspective of a railroad executive, having an opulent Palace car in your passenger train provides a sense of grandeur.

Go into first person and inspect the interiors of the cars. There's a bit of a difference.

[Jamseven]

Originally posted by Lemon Friend:

Originally posted by Jamseven:

But the regular coach version of the 1893 car doesn't provide a bonus to ticket fares, unless I'm mistaken. It certainly doesn't list any such bonus in the description, unlike the observation car. As it sits now it just works as a more expensive, less capacity coach.

You are correct, if you are looking at it from the perspective of a gamer. However, from the perspective of a railroad executive, having an opulent Palace car in your passenger train provides a sense of grandeur.

Go into first person and inspect the interiors of the cars. There's a bit of a difference.

Yeah in real life it makes perfect sense, but from a gameplay perspective it's really underwhelming. I'd love to run a matching set of coaches and observation car, but if I want to be efficient then I'm forced to use one of the other two coaches in game which don't look as good with the observation car.

Personally I'd love to see an eventual expansion of the passenger system in game as it's one of my favorite parts of railroading. Maybe adding in stuff like mail service, or even something like a dining or cafe car that doesn't hold any passengers, but provides a bonus for the long distance passengers who might get hungry traveling from one end of the railroad to the other.

[ProlubeBuyFuse]

Originally posted by Lemon Friend:

However, from the perspective of a railroad executive, having an opulent Palace car in your passenger train provides a sense of grandeur.

I would love to see that have a mechanic in-game, TBH. Obviously not to the level of the Observation car, but the sense of grandeur was 100% about getting passengers and making more money.

[That_Dirty_Rat]

So it would seem the simple fix would be to have this car apply a "premium" to the ticket price for the riders of this car. An over all percentage bonus that would make this car achieve the same revenue as a a loaded 84 seat variant. This gives the realism and the cost incentive to pull them. By making it a percentage, it would not matter were the ticket was for, it would increase accordingly.

[Oilman25]

I would give a 5% bonus to passenger fares with the 1893 Pullman Palace passenger car for a passenger train, and when they add in the dining car 10% bonus passenger fares as well and the sleeping cars added in 5% bonus.

[Kerry]

Originally posted by mnjmom3:

I would give a 5% bonus to passenger fares with the 1893 Pullman Palace passenger car for a passenger train, and when they add in the dining car 10% bonus passenger fares as well and the sleeping cars added in 5% bonus.

Some solid suggestions, I hope they listen. Between the Pullman Palace car, the dining car and the observation car, passengers are going to turn into a real money-maker. With the suggestions you've made, that'll be a solid 15% bonus to passenger service on top of the 20% given by the observation car.

I don't think they're going to add sleeping cars as the game seems to be intended to have you run passengers during the day only. However, they do intend to add Railway Post Office, baggage, and less-than-carload (LCL) express freight service to the game, at least from what I saw before on other threads.

I know one thing, when they add those to the game I intend to make mail trains be night-only, since there's usually less traffic on my lines overnight and they can run pretty much unimpeded (unless there's a late-night through train from Bryson or the other interchange).

[Oilman25]

Most of sleeping cars tended to be interchange with other railroads, so picking up a sleeping car at Andrews, Whittier and Sylvia interchanges and take them to next interchanges with a few stops on the way being the thing.

[Kerry]

Originally posted by mnjmom3:

Most of sleeping cars tended to be interchange with other railroads, so picking up a sleeping car at Andrews, Whittier and Sylvia interchanges and take them to next interchanges with a few stops on the way being the thing.

That's a fair point.

[Oilman25]

Originally posted by Kerry:

Originally posted by mnjmom3:

Most of sleeping cars tended to be interchange with other railroads, so picking up a sleeping car at Andrews, Whittier and Sylvia interchanges and take them to next interchanges with a few stops on the way being the thing.

That's a fair point.

That and also sleeping cars in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and into 1960s tend to be of two types Open-section accommodation which is basally bunk bed sleeping with no setletlae quarters for male and female passengers other then curtains covering bunk beds and charging rooms.

And other is Private Accommodations which are Hotel rooms type sleeping quarters.