RoboCop: Rogue City

RoboCop: Rogue City

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Ending -MEGA SPOILERS- unresolved thread/questions
Okay, so I finished the game, the last boss was totally shoehorned in and made little sense. Old Man would have a custom body, not an industrial powerhouse. Still, I think they knew we all wanted that fight, so okay. Would make more sense with another brain, or a memory or something.....

But also, the main bad guy was collecting all those brains. Like the dead cop in the ice bath. He had 20-30 fridges. and that's without accounting for robbing the hospital morgue.

Clearly we were suppose to think it was in the UED droids, but those were just robots. and the last boss was just the old man's brain....

So where did 30-90 brains end up?

Seems like that should have been resolved. Best explanation I can think of us they were used to prototype project afterlife and were needed for experiments... But if so then why was the old man insane? That should have been a success with that many brains to practice with, or at least they should know it wouldn't work.

So, what do you all think?
En son Ivanark tarafından düzenlendi; 3 Kas 2023 @ 12:56
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It's a commentary on Murphy's strength of character and will. He never asked to be made into a cyborg, and continues with his duty to help others. The Old Man was using Afterlife as a cover just as Delta City is a cover to evict all of Old Detroit's citizens. It was all to help him survive, but because he went into the project willingly he was in precisely the wrong mindset. He went insane because Alex Murphy is a strong man with a sense of duty, not a greedy bastard trying to cheat death.
Robocop 2 was a whole movie about attempt to create a second Robocop. The biggest issue they were facing is that noone except Alex Murphy was able to go through the suffering of being cyborg and live. The only other person they found to be able to be somewhat successful in similar role was a drug addict with the sole purpose of just getting that drug,

With all this being said Old Man wanted to be guaranteed to do not suffer and not go insane as other did so this is why those experiments. In the lab you can clearly see that they were experimenting on the brains, connecting those to the devices etc. Unfortunately there was nothing really saying it directly but it was definitely implied what is going on there. At that moment I knew who we are going to fight (wasn't sure about the form, however when saw the thing on the Expo knew that we are going to fight that thing at some point) and was quite disappointed that after the election night mission the game was looking like it is going to end without giving us that fight, however when we've got a call from OCP tower I knew exactly what is going to happen. I am pretty sure is that b/c Antonowsky failed to stop/kill Robocop way back in the slaughterhouse the experimentation was cut short and they had to go with what they had at the time.
OK, here we go.

First about the Old Man in the Robocop 2 body and not some custom body. They said in game that the technology to make an actual synthetic body was still 100 years away. Or, at least, another movie away... the Robocop 3 ninjas. Regardless, the only thing they had that was working was the Robocop 2 body, so the Old Man used that. [/spolier]

Second, the UEDs were another failed Robocop 2 project. There's a video for a demo in Robocop 2 showing the prototype, which walks out. Within seconds, it pulls off its metal head and reveals the skull (and, presumably, the human brain still encased within) that was underneath. So all those UEDs we destroy actually contain those brains as control mechanisms. And yes, I'm aware Becker says they don't have any organic components... but I'm not entirely sure he was in positive control of that program. Or, at least, as much control as he thought he had.

Third, there's a huge piece about why the Robocop program was actually successful, while the others are not. First, yes, Alex Murphy was an exceptional cop with a strong sense of duty. However, many people don't remember that there was a second successful model... Crime Prevention Unit 002, AKA Officer John Cable. While certainly a good cop himself, it doesn't explain why the second unit worked when the other prototypes failed with, presumably, other good candidates. The better explanation is, there's something about the way that the original Robocop model interfaces with the "donor" brain that allows that particular model to actually work. Maybe it's a more simplistic coding, or the neural interface that keeps a good separation between the man and the machine. Maybe it was just sheer dumb luck they pulled the two guys into that program that could actually withstand the insanity set-in from being reduced to boolean logic. Whatever the case is, the Robocop 2 program was never going to be an answer for the Old Man.
En son slymanrc tarafından düzenlendi; 10 Kas 2023 @ 18:15
Major spoilers: Coming in hot with some pressing questions and major confusion after I've finished the game, just like OP. Mind you, the game is great, and I've enjoyed a lot of the storytelling, except the last 2 missions.

It looks to me that there have been some major cuts to the game in order to meet deadline, because there is a heap of things that made no sense to me, just lacking context or sense.

I haven't seen the second Robocop, I've gathered that the Old man simply went insane from the transformation - but that's it? They've been building up this grand project so much through the game, and all it ends up being is the robocop 2 design we've already seen, with Old man? He appears out of nowhere, and just goes crazy in OCP? Why? Yeah, I get why, because we need to close the story and kill Becker I guess? And after the fight is over, I got a choice to try to save him? What in the hell? What for? He's crazy and all he cared for was mindless carnage, so why did I even get that option?! Somebody please explain that, I am looking forward to the reasoning here. I found the choice to have the Old man as antagonist profoundly boring (again, haven't seen second movie, probably explains a lot, but I don't know if I want to ruin what the first movie built up), the dynamics in the first movie were so interesting and exciting, here, it just felt lame.

The Hans Gruber antagonist was cool for a while, until he wasn't - I'm just going to ignore all the nonsensical toying with Robocop (like giving him the lighter, when he had another) and attribute it to him just being a psycho, but the last moments, again major WTF - what was the point of him mentioning it wasn't even his real name? Why was he so obsessed with Robocop then? And why would he, an intelligent bad guy, randomly throw his life away, trying to reach a random weapon that had no effect on robocop? It's a joke how they killed him off. Boddicker had an epic death moment in the movie, just imagine how lame it would be, if he died, trying to reach for random pistol that would do nothing to Robocop.

Also, if somebody could just explain to me why did OCP need this guy to begin with, that would be nice. These guys controlled everything, constantly bringing in an unstable element that in the end betrayed them (and who in particular even covered for him? The Old man? I'm confused.) just seems redundant. I'm just trying to find some basic motivation for this guy to even be involved in anything.

Then there was supposed to be this mole on the police force, but this gets abandoned. It's not Becker, it's obviously not Washington, so who was it? I was expecting some grand reveal, but I guess this got cut.

Also, you spent the whole game hating Becker's ass, but he ends up in a confusing mess, exaggerated clown with no dept, zero social intelligence, the guy just treats everybody like trash for no reason, and you spend so much time with him, only for him to just die with no payoff.
En son lefiath tarafından düzenlendi; 10 Ağu 2024 @ 15:03
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Major spoilers: Coming in hot with some pressing questions and major confusion after I've finished the game, just like OP. Mind you, the game is great, and I've enjoyed a lot of the storytelling, except the last 2 missions.

It looks to me that there have been some major cuts to the game in order to meet deadline, because there is a heap of things that made no sense to me, just lacking context or sense.

I haven't seen the second Robocop, I've gathered that the Old man simply went insane from the transformation - but that's it? They've been building up this grand project so much through the game, and all it ends up being is the robocop 2 design we've already seen, with Old man? He appears out of nowhere, and just goes crazy in OCP? Why? Yeah, I get why, because we need to close the story and kill Becker I guess? And after the fight is over, I got a choice to try to save him? What in the hell? What for? He's crazy and all he cared for was mindless carnage, so why did I even get that option?! Somebody please explain that, I am looking forward to the reasoning here. I found the choice to have the Old man as antagonist profoundly boring (again, haven't seen second movie, probably explains a lot, but I don't know if I want to ruin what the first movie built up), the dynamics in the first movie were so interesting and exciting, here, it just felt lame.

The Hans Gruber antagonist was cool for a while, until he wasn't - I'm just going to ignore all the nonsensical toying with Robocop (like giving him the lighter, when he had another) and attribute it to him just being a psycho, but the last moments, again major WTF - what was the point of him mentioning it wasn't even his real name? Why was he so obsessed with Robocop then? And why would he, an intelligent bad guy, randomly throw his life away, trying to reach a random weapon that had no effect on robocop? It's a joke how they killed him off. Boddicker had an epic death moment in the movie, just imagine how lame it would be, if he died, trying to reach for random pistol that would do nothing to Robocop.

Also, if somebody could just explain to me why did OCP need this guy to begin with, that would be nice. These guys controlled everything, constantly bringing in an unstable element that in the end betrayed them (and who in particular even covered for him? The Old man? I'm confused.) just seems redundant. I'm just trying to find some basic motivation for this guy to even be involved in anything.

Then there was supposed to be this mole on the police force, but this gets abandoned. It's not Becker, it's obviously not Washington, so who was it? I was expecting some grand reveal, but I guess this got cut.

Also, you spent the whole game hating Becker's ass, but he ends up in a confusing mess, exaggerated clown with no dept, zero social intelligence, the guy just treats everybody like trash for no reason, and you spend so much time with him, only for him to just die with no payoff.

Off-hand, the old man went insane because he was just trying to preserve his own life. Murphy's will and desire to protect the innocent as a police officer are what grounds him in reality as a cybernetic organism - which the old man lacked. It seems to be implied by the story that all of OCP's "good" projects like Delta City and Afterlife are really just scams with a cleverly concealed darker motive to enrich the company at others' expense. Even if the old man was being sabotaged by some, it can't all be against his wishes given the immense influence he clearly wields.

Becker is just a selfish ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This is evident in the first scene you see after the old man's death - dude literally calls in dancers to his office and starts blasting music.

Wendell was just being paid ridiculous sums of money in order to acquire bodies for Afterlife. His primary motivation seems to have been money and/or influence from being involved with the project and ties to OCP, even though they were clearly blowing through all their money. At the end, where he revealed that his name isn't really Wendell Antonowsky, is just him trying to buy time to get one up on RoboCop - as seen when he reaches for a weapon. He was clearly just desperate but, as with many hardcore criminals, refused to actually surrender because he had no other options remaining and didn't want to face prison.

Also, Wendell was playing with RoboCop because part of his mission was to stir up Murphy's memories as part of Project Afterlife. The old man wanted to get as much data as possible so that, ideally, he could be implanted into a cybernetic body and continue to live on like Murphy. Again, his selfish desires are what caused him to ultimately lose control because such desires fade with time, whereas Murphy's selfless devotion is much more likely to remain in the long run since he willingly sacrifices himself for his perceived Justice.
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At the end, where he revealed that his name isn't really Wendell Antonowsky, is just him trying to buy time to get one up on RoboCop - as seen when he reaches for a weapon. He was clearly just desperate but, as with many hardcore criminals, refused to actually surrender because he had no other options remaining and didn't want to face prison.

Also, Wendell was playing with RoboCop because part of his mission was to stir up Murphy's memories as part of Project Afterlife. The old man wanted to get as much data as possible so that, ideally, he could be implanted into a cybernetic body and continue to live on like Murphy. Again, his selfish desires are what caused him to ultimately lose control because such desires fade with time, whereas Murphy's selfless devotion is much more likely to remain in the long run since he willingly sacrifices himself for his perceived Justice.

Which is still a complete nonsense, as Wendell was perfectly comfortable getting captured before, and last time i've checked, didn't possess double digit IQ that would make him randomly choose death before. Look, I can come up with random reasons myself, doesn't mean I want to, because it won't help fixing the rushed story.

Perhaps he was affected by some magical fairy dust, perhaps that ordinary looking SMG was actually supposed to be some super weapon (much better explanation than anything you came up with) and the devs just didn't have time making the model, perhaps he was really late to the party of his first born son. All of those are explanations - doesn't mean any of them improves the scene...

Also, the idea that Murphy is somehow special has been such ridiculous retcon since I've ever heard about it - if you've seen the first movie, isn't the main point that Murphy is just an ordinary person? What about him screams "I am so special the OCP literally cannot find anyone else to replace me". It's so goofy, especially when people try to use it as an argument.
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