The Case of the Golden Idol

The Case of the Golden Idol

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3rd scenario in DLC is absolute nonsense
Anyone thinks the same?
Spiders, symbols, some cartoons, masks, guards clothing... wtf?? How is it even related, what does it have to do with solving?
Same issue with the base game: first ~half was great, then devs get into absolute nonsense, politics, religion, rituals, some "deep fantasy" or something, which is not fun, not interesting and hard to solve.
DLC follow the same route: 1st scenario is great - not too hard, not too easy, everything makes sense(took me 30 minutes). 2nd scenario is borderline terrible(70 minutes) - I solved it without any hints but still don't understand what happened and what are all these undercover games are and who wants what. Then 3rd scenario is just unplayable, I don't even wanna get into it after looking at 40 choices and "solve these cartoons that have nothing to do with the game"

Yeah..
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lborl May 6, 2023 @ 6:00am 
The last panel of that cartoon tells you exactly what's happened in the 3rd scenario. You just need to work out whom each creature represents
Originally posted by lborl:
The last panel of that cartoon tells you exactly what's happened in the 3rd scenario. You just need to work out whom each creature represents
But there are actual people in the scene, what do these pictures and animals even have to do with this?
Feels so far-fetched, like "puzzle for the sake of puzzle"
SDSkinner2011 May 6, 2023 @ 6:51am 
The second puzzle is a stretch. I came up with a scenario, got it wrong and then realized the intended answer. I didn't put all the pieces together until the third puzzle because some of the hints are... esoteric.

Here is how you solve it.

First, what happened. There is a ritual to determine rulership. First you take a test, then the winner goes through the rite involving the blade. It is a magic trick where the Lemurians have a person inside the device lower the candidates torso so the blade doesn't cut them in half.

This was sabotaged- someone tossed a bottle that says 'throw me in the eye' and the servant inside has a blue stain on their hand; the various pieces around the island let us figure out that means there was a venomous cricket in the bottle.

Since it was labeled, that means there were two people involve- the person who prepared the bottle and the person who used it. The user has to be the prince (if it was anyone else, they'd be the individual acquiring it and thus not need to label the bottle).

As for who acquired the poison there are hints (the code is in English on paper from a British company), but to pull it off they need to know how the ritual is conducted.

The answer to that is puzzle 1 (where a life is saved) and the part in puzzle two where the Lemurian Saint is offering 'a secret for a life'.

I wasn't joking about esoteric- you are supposed to realize the Englishman knows about the secret ritual of kingship because he saved the guys life in the first puzzle.

I didn't get that the first time so thought the killer was either the spymaster or warrior because the servant girl was the only possible source of information for how the machine works.
Lonely FireWolf May 6, 2023 @ 8:34am 
It isn't nonsense. You just don't get it, that is all. First time is third case in that DLC overwhelming, but after while you get idea what is going on. I didn't even used that symbols on cards. Mask and cloth is important only in one thing and it is easy to figure it out. As for these pictures of animals - first two parts from left are first two cases from DLC. You can see that thanks to their background. In that moment you will get who is spider and who is that butterfly. It is really easy, just use your brain. Second case for me was much harder.
Originally posted by Lonely FireWolf:
It isn't nonsense. You just don't get it, that is all. First time is third case in that DLC overwhelming, but after while you get idea what is going on. I didn't even used that symbols on cards. Mask and cloth is important only in one thing and it is easy to figure it out. As for these pictures of animals - first two parts from left are first two cases from DLC. You can see that thanks to their background. In that moment you will get who is spider and who is that butterfly. It is really easy, just use your brain. Second case for me was much harder.
I'm not saying 3rd case is hard, didn't really begin solving it, just found 40/40 words and closed the game when I saw pictures and animal figures. Kinda dissapointed and frustrated with how it is, I'll look into it tomorrow.
Originally posted by SDSkinner2011:
The second puzzle is a stretch. I came up with a scenario, got it wrong and then realized the intended answer. I didn't put all the pieces together until the third puzzle because some of the hints are... esoteric.

Here is how you solve it.

First, what happened. There is a ritual to determine rulership. First you take a test, then the winner goes through the rite involving the blade. It is a magic trick where the Lemurians have a person inside the device lower the candidates torso so the blade doesn't cut them in half.

This was sabotaged- someone tossed a bottle that says 'throw me in the eye' and the servant inside has a blue stain on their hand; the various pieces around the island let us figure out that means there was a venomous cricket in the bottle.

Since it was labeled, that means there were two people involve- the person who prepared the bottle and the person who used it. The user has to be the prince (if it was anyone else, they'd be the individual acquiring it and thus not need to label the bottle).

As for who acquired the poison there are hints (the code is in English on paper from a British company), but to pull it off they need to know how the ritual is conducted.

The answer to that is puzzle 1 (where a life is saved) and the part in puzzle two where the Lemurian Saint is offering 'a secret for a life'.

I wasn't joking about esoteric- you are supposed to realize the Englishman knows about the secret ritual of kingship because he saved the guys life in the first puzzle.

I didn't get that the first time so thought the killer was either the spymaster or warrior because the servant girl was the only possible source of information for how the machine works.
Some of explanations are stretched again. Like "throw me in the eye" - what eye? Who says that, who should throw it, what does broken bottle even do inside the coffin, who broke it - dead girl? There's blue inside her hand - ok I get it, it's the venomous ant, but I would never have thought that it was inside the bottle. I understand that she was supposed to lower the torso part for prince/princess to survive, and then someone wanted said prince/princess dead, therefore they poisoned this girl.
Who wanted prince/princess dead? Was it envious prince (who absolutely doesn't sound envious or mad about his sister princess taking part in it)? Was it priest father of an indian boy (forgot the name) trying to sabotage the ritual and ruin relationship between families/regions? Was it father himself, trying to keep the throne for himself? Was it blademaster who was in love with this female slave girl? Was it spymaster who uncovered the conspiracy? Was it boy who got refused love of said slave girl?

SO MANY questions and this scenario really felt like I had to just try every choice possible instead of logically coming to one and only possible particular scenario.

That's what I'm dissapointed about, but maybe it's the point of the game.
But to my taste devs try too hard to make scenarios elaborate and difficult, which makes game less enjoyable.
Lonely FireWolf May 6, 2023 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by Lonely FireWolf:
It isn't nonsense. You just don't get it, that is all. First time is third case in that DLC overwhelming, but after while you get idea what is going on. I didn't even used that symbols on cards. Mask and cloth is important only in one thing and it is easy to figure it out. As for these pictures of animals - first two parts from left are first two cases from DLC. You can see that thanks to their background. In that moment you will get who is spider and who is that butterfly. It is really easy, just use your brain. Second case for me was much harder.
I'm not saying 3rd case is hard, didn't really begin solving it, just found 40/40 words and closed the game when I saw pictures and animal figures. Kinda dissapointed and frustrated with how it is, I'll look into it tomorrow.
Ok, I get that when you look at it, it looks so bloated with some nonsense info, but after while it will get clear, what you must to do. I really enjoyed first scenario in this DLC, second wasn't so good, because I didn't get few things and I stared at screen for some time, but eventually figured it out. Third scenario is good and easy, because you use first two scenarios to unhide a lot of things in Thinking part of the game.
Mr. Beartato May 6, 2023 @ 9:42am 
For me the third case was really easy actually. If you just understand what's been going on up to that point it's pretty clear.
Serel Moett May 6, 2023 @ 9:58am 
Everything makes sense if you are not impatient. You really have to takes notes, write down stuff, draw arrows of people and their relations, reread each person's notes and thoughts in different orders and it slowly starts to make sense. Note also the coloring of the inks on the paper too and it helps to understand the origin of the notes.
When you are stuck, I would suggest you put the game away and come back following day. And really, draw your notes on paper (like stick men and arrows, and key objects they have...)
I think it must have taking me at least 2 hours for the 2nd case but I sure did not want to cheat or brute force it as that is the beauty of this game.
Concerning the 2nd one, the only thing that was confusing for me is the blue on the servant's hand which looked more like blue ink than a blue insect. Concerning the "Throw me in the eye", if you "de-zoom", you realise that machine she is in has a sort of face on the outside and the eyes are holes, so the bottle was thrown in the hole and something killed the servant.
Both children of the raja had the note saying "if you fail" so it's clear it's someone who wanted to mess with the Lankra people whichever one was the heir.
SDSkinner2011 May 6, 2023 @ 10:20am 
Some of explanations are stretched again. Like "throw me in the eye" - what eye?

The 'eye' of the coffin- it is an airhole.

Who says that, who should throw it, what does broken bottle even do inside the coffin, who broke it - dead girl? There's blue inside her hand - ok I get it, it's the venomous ant, but I would never have thought that it was inside the bottle. I understand that she was supposed to lower the torso part for prince/princess to survive, and then someone wanted said prince/princess dead, therefore they poisoned this girl.

'Throw me in the eye' was the label on the bottle.

Who wanted prince/princess dead? Was it envious prince (who absolutely doesn't sound envious or mad about his sister princess taking part in it)? Was it priest father of an indian boy (forgot the name) trying to sabotage the ritual and ruin relationship between families/regions? Was it father himself, trying to keep the throne for himself? Was it blademaster who was in love with this female slave girl? Was it spymaster who uncovered the conspiracy? Was it boy who got refused love of said slave girl?

The blademaster has a letter from the princess where she mentions they will wed when she becomes queen. He promises to seduce the servant girl to help the princess with the test and if you click the bushes in the funeral scene, you will see the notes the blademaster gave the princess.

The spymaster is in on the plot of the blademaster.

The raja doesn't know the secrets of the ritual.

The Lemurian father and son don't have an incentive to sabotage the ritual because it gets their head on the chopping block.

The prince and princess both have two pieces of writing- their concession speech and a coded letter. An example is found in the spymaters office- use an image to find the word in each sentence that matches it, with each paragraph making a word.

The letters key is the demon statue brought by the Englishman; it says 'if you fail, look in my mouth'. Given both the prince and princess have it, the implication is whoever sent the letter doesn't care who become ruler, but wanted whoever did the ritual to die.

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If you are having trouble following, it is because the motive isn't revealed until the 3rd case. The Lemurians have a life debt system and the Englishman believes Lemuiran possess the secret of immortality so is trying to set things up to revel that secret.

Edit- note there are two Englishmen; the one who is The Spider (and thus masterminded the killings) doesn't appear in the second case.

The first case is supposed to be setup by him and the notes work with that. The Lemurian beats Bill, Bill tries to cut the Lemurians ear off and Geller trips Bill and saves him.

Then Bill get's stabbed in the back by one of Geller's crew and it turns into a free for all. Still can't explain Carlos Luna's position.
Last edited by SDSkinner2011; May 6, 2023 @ 10:51am
Atrus May 6, 2023 @ 12:24pm 
Just because you can't understand what happened it doesn't make it nonsense. I was able to solve all of it without using any hints because everything in the game has a logical sequence of events. It's all there, the devs didn't hide anything.
Last edited by Atrus; May 6, 2023 @ 12:26pm
calamar May 6, 2023 @ 2:44pm 
I think the third puzzle has a bit of a problem of scale. Namely that it seems a hell of a lot busier and more in-depth than it actually is. When you go to the map view of the city I thought it was going to be like the last puzzle of the main game initially, though what you actually solve doesn't use much of the information you can gather.

If anyone had any use for the 'Four Vase Maximum' sign, the red footprints and the picture of the different garbs of the Lankan forces I would be interested to hear them. They can maybe be just flavour text / be used in future cases somehow Like I imagine the other new characters introduced in the last case will be , but at the minute I'm not sure what purpose they serve.

I think all this just confuses the mystery somewhat. I also wasn't sure about the motivations of Putra Sun. At first I thought he was actually on the side of the Spider, but he's not...? It was his boss that tipped off the spider...?
SDSkinner2011 May 6, 2023 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by Atrus:
Just because you can't understand what happened it doesn't make it nonsense. I was able to solve all of it without using any hints because everything in the game has a logical sequence of events. It's all there, the devs didn't hide anything.

What was the motive for Geller to set everything up in the second case? I thought it was to get the secret, but he gets it in the third case because of his actions in the first.

Originally posted by calamar:
If anyone had any use for the 'Four Vase Maximum' sign, the red footprints and the picture of the different garbs of the Lankan forces I would be interested to hear them. They can maybe be just flavour text / be used in future cases somehow Like I imagine the other new characters introduced in the last case will be , but at the minute I'm not sure what purpose they serve.

The garb lets you identify the murder victim in the last case.

I think all this just confuses the mystery somewhat. I also wasn't sure about the motivations of Putra Sun. At first I thought he was actually on the side of the Spider, but he's not...? It was his boss that tipped off the spider...?

He is the spymaster- he is just doing his job to find the individual responsible for conspiring to murder royalty.

The spider was tipped off by a person we have no knowledge about; they are only mentioned in the third case. They aren't Sun's boss- the spymaster is directly under the Raja.
Dwarflord May 6, 2023 @ 5:17pm 
i solved it all w/o hints. the whole point is that it starts easy and gets hard. if you're not good at deduction that doesn't make a deduction game 'bad'. it requires focus and logic, not a single puzzle was unfair. i love this game and the challenge, if you want easy casual puzzles there are plenty of games for you.
Originally posted by Человек, измученный Нарзаном:
Anyone thinks the same?
Spiders, symbols, some cartoons, masks, guards clothing... wtf?? How is it even related, what does it have to do with solving?
Same issue with the base game: first ~half was great, then devs get into absolute nonsense, politics, religion, rituals, some "deep fantasy" or something, which is not fun, not interesting and hard to solve.
DLC follow the same route: 1st scenario is great - not too hard, not too easy, everything makes sense(took me 30 minutes). 2nd scenario is borderline terrible(70 minutes) - I solved it without any hints but still don't understand what happened and what are all these undercover games are and who wants what. Then 3rd scenario is just unplayable, I don't even wanna get into it after looking at 40 choices and "solve these cartoons that have nothing to do with the game"

Yeah..
Actually it's pretty clearly related to the first 2 scenarios, explains why they happened, and sets up the beginning of the first game. It's like you don't understand what is happening in any of the cases and solved them by guessing.


Some of explanations are stretched again. Like "throw me in the eye" - what eye? Who says that, who should throw it, what does broken bottle even do inside the coffin, who broke it - dead girl? There's blue inside her hand - ok I get it, it's the venomous ant, but I would never have thought that it was inside the bottle. I understand that she was supposed to lower the torso part for prince/princess to survive, and then someone wanted said prince/princess dead, therefore they poisoned this girl.
Who wanted prince/princess dead? Was it envious prince (who absolutely doesn't sound envious or mad about his sister princess taking part in it)? Was it priest father of an indian boy (forgot the name) trying to sabotage the ritual and ruin relationship between families/regions? Was it father himself, trying to keep the throne for himself? Was it blademaster who was in love with this female slave girl? Was it spymaster who uncovered the conspiracy? Was it boy who got refused love of said slave girl?

SO MANY questions and this scenario really felt like I had to just try every choice possible instead of logically coming to one and only possible particular scenario.

That's what I'm dissapointed about, but maybe it's the point of the game.
But to my taste devs try too hard to make scenarios elaborate and difficult, which makes game less enjoyable.

The eye on the face on the cart that lowers that the servant of the delegation is hiding in. There's a face on the blade cart that's clearly visible. The ritual of the blade is a sham. It's merely a ritual after the logic test already determines the heir. The Lumerian servant hides in the cart and lowers the person on the top being swung at by the pendulum so only the wooden apron is hit, then paints it with red paint to appear to be a wound they survived, 'proving' they are the rightful heir. That part is not the sabotage, but is a secret. The younger Kerra told this secret to Oberon for saving his life at the card game fight he instigated with Ruben Hendricks.('life for life'). Hendricks (the drunk in the corner) is directly involved. He is a shareholder of the printing company and has a note from the spider (it's in green ink) telling him to arrange any newcomer with Bill. Bill gets violent when he loses and the spider's diary in case 3 says he knows the younger Kerra is a good card player (good enough to beat Bill).

The prince failed the logic test but deduced the Albion clue (Albert's inventory shows he had a 'gift' he's supposed to hide in the mouth of the statue the company previously gave. This was the flask containing a poisonous cricket). The coded message on the "learn Albion" leaflet says "if you fail, look in my mouth'. The flask containing the cricket crushed by the servant says "throw me in the eye". The notes were made by the printing company and Oberon specifically as the notes on them are in the green ink he uses. The prince killed his sister to become raja

Oberon Geller set up the sabotage. He is the spider. He set up the entire chain of events because he knew about the legendary golden idol. The idol is a Lumerian artifact that can give life. The Lumerians have a policy of giving 'life for life'. He didn't care which sibling won the logic contest to become heir, because he was already exploiting the younger Kerra's affection for the Kerra servant. This was used to pin the death of the Princess on Zubi Kerra (the younger) but also would have been the prince if he had died in the ritual. This forced the older Kerra (the priest) to give "life for life" to the Raja and Oberon (for saving the younger Kerra at the card came). He chose to reveal the location of the golden idol as it can give life. Which sibling died would not have mattered, Oberon's setup would have revealed the younger Kerra's affections for their servant and the sham of the ritual, pinning it on him anyway. The blademaster seduced the servant in an attempt to find information. Oberon knew the secret of the ritual because the younger Kerra had told him after he 'saved his life' at the card game bloodbath he had also arranged. His diary in the 3rd case all but says all of this.
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