Lemurian Vampire plot twist (Obvious spoilers)

[blackguard]

I just wanna say when I put together that Mata had actually been using the ritual for centuries to prolong her life AND since she was in charge of raising children she had been conditioning them for centuries not to ask how old she was I was flabbergasted(and even better since they don't directly tell you this but you can see the pamphlet the kids have saying not to ask how old adults are), had the same weight as figuring out Edmund Cloudsley had made himself younger before they actually spell it out for you. They cooked with this one bruh.

[Sammun Mak]

It’s similar to how the 1st case of the 1st dlc really has enough info for you to figure out Oberon Geller set up the series of murders intentionally but it can easily slip past you.

[__mu]

One thing that I haven't figured out though is if she is getting 36 years of life at a time, isn't that going to get the villagers' attention? And once the kids grow up and age, don't they ever stop and wonder why she looks the same as she did when they were young? Since it's a tiny community she can't change identities...

[worstcase11]

Originally posted by __mu:

One thing that I haven't figured out though is if she is getting 36 years of life at a time, isn't that going to get the villagers' attention? And once the kids grow up and age, don't they ever stop and wonder why she looks the same as she did when they were young? Since it's a tiny community she can't change identities...

Once in her thirties, a woman wont change her appearance all that much for several years. I guess she doesn't have to 'empty' the idol all at once. She could go by six year steps for example - she had a dictionary for the language.

The last sentinel however didn't have much lifeforce left in him anyway so she probably absorbed that in just one go.

We can only speculate how she handled it during the first years while she stole lifeforce, but later on she could just teach the children whatever about how a human is supposed to age. Remember that on the handout one of the kids had it wasn't only written that it was a 'no go' to ask another person's age, It was also said that 'people had different lifespans' and that it wasn't good to ask 'how stuff works'.

She only had to survive one generation of people who knew how a person was supposed to age. After that everyone grew up with her teachings and they only ever knew it as normal that she wasn't aging.

[lolstar64]

NGL I was originally slightly disappointed that Mata ended up being the vampire. My issue came from, while I had deduced that someone was using the fake ritual to prolong their life, I felt that there wasn't enough evidence in the game to say that it was Mata other than circumstantial evidence such as her wanting to preserve the ancient rituals. This just didn't seem to be strong enough, almost like the devs expected to to guess and confirm via the lock in rather than directly deduce the answer.

However as I thought more and more about it I realized how well layered it was, such as her being in charge of the children and being able to manipulate everyone's perception but still it just didn't seem like enough. This whole time there were some things nagging at the back of my mind. Some evidence that I had seen but never made any connections with, specifically the keypad to the projector room. You can see the code via the fingerprints but I could never figure out the significance of the numbers. Then it dawned on me. The numbers were insignificant. The shapes however were the exact same as Mata's necklace. There was the direct answer.

This is exactly how a deduction game should do it. At least 1 hint that conclusively shows the answer but enough circumstantial hints that you can figure it out even if you don't find the direct hints all the while not being too obvious. Very impressive.

Originally posted by worstcase11:

Once in her thirties, a woman wont change her appearance all that much for several years. I guess she doesn't have to 'empty' the idol all at once. She could go by six year steps for example - she had a dictionary for the language.

The list of commands on the Sentinel show that she did take 36 at a time.

[Mechalibur]

Originally posted by lolstar64:

Then it dawned on me. The numbers were insignificant. The shapes however were the exact same as Mata's necklace. There was the direct answer.

Wow, I never noticed that! Great catch.

[Grug]

Yeah, Mata's necklace matching the entry code was the hard evidence I needed to identify her as the murderer.

[Sammun Mak]

It's probably 36 months, not years. We only assumed years because years was the unit used in The Triumph of Order. Think about the fact that the lemurian number system is based around 12. It would be very possible to de-age 3 years at once and no one notices.

[worstcase11]

Originally posted by Sammun Mak:

It's probably 36 months, not years. We only assumed years because years was the unit used in The Triumph of Order. Think about the fact that the lemurian number system is based around 12. It would be very possible to de-age 3 years at once and no one notices.

That actually makes so much more sense ... good catch!

[Sammun Mak]

Originally posted by lolstar64:

NGL I was originally slightly disappointed that Mata ended up being the vampire. My issue came from, while I had deduced that someone was using the fake ritual to prolong their life, I felt that there wasn't enough evidence in the game to say that it was Mata other than circumstantial evidence such as her wanting to preserve the ancient rituals. This just didn't seem to be strong enough, almost like the devs expected to to guess and confirm via the lock in rather than directly deduce the answer.

You're not supposed to figure out she's the "vampire" in the 2nd case. I thought the game was especially clever about that. The focus is on their roles so you just think 'she takes her role very seriously'. In the 3rd case, you can conclude she IS the vampire because Zubiri gives her the override code and then she goes on to use it, but then uses her own knowledge of the language that only the vampire knows.

[lolstar64]

Originally posted by Sammun Mak:

You're not supposed to figure out she's the "vampire" in the 2nd case. I thought the game was especially clever about that. The focus is on their roles so you just think 'she takes her role very seriously'. In the 3rd case, you can conclude she IS the vampire because Zubiri gives her the override code and then she goes on to use it, but then uses her own knowledge of the language that only the vampire knows.

Good catch. I missed that the commands she gave to the dweller were different from the commands Zubiri gave her since the command for "Give" and "Destroy" are similar. That is another conclusive hint that it had to be her.

[Fien]

Originally posted by Sammun Mak:

You're not supposed to figure out she's the "vampire" in the 2nd case.

That can't be true. There is no necklace in the 1st case but it's in her inventory in the 2nd one. So we already know she has access to that room and projects the threatening messages on the wall. Therefore it's crystal clear from the start of the 3rd case that she must be behind everything.

[nassimo.erard]

I love the whole time aspect that comes into play into that DLC. If you pay attention to Oberon and Albert contract, they signed it at the beginning of their expedition in Monkey paw island which is the 5th of January 1742. But if you look at Zubirri diary in the DLC there's a huge inconstitancy with how much time passed, for him at the end of the 3rd chapter, we're in february of the year 1741. It could be explained by his emprisonment in the ship during the Raja expedition to the island, living in that isolated island for a while and being made a captive in chapter 3. He completely lost sense of time and still thinks we're in 1741 during the events of the DLC.

[marco2000b]

Why is lavu mata not killed and the end

[Sammun Mak]

Originally posted by Fien:

Originally posted by Sammun Mak:

You're not supposed to figure out she's the "vampire" in the 2nd case.

That can't be true. There is no necklace in the 1st case but it's in her inventory in the 2nd one. So we already know she has access to that room and projects the threatening messages on the wall. Therefore it's crystal clear from the start of the 3rd case that she must be behind everything.

If you caught that, good for you. Most people don't.

[Neimo]

Originally posted by marco2000b:

Why is lavu mata not killed and the end

She gets replaced by Zubiri in the council, but we don't know what happens to her.