Does the M18 Hellcat need a buff?

[CODGUY]

Seems like kind of an odd unit in an odd spot.

It's really not very cost-effective being only 20 fuel and 40 MP cheaper than a Sherman and being behind the T3 Tank Depot.

It's preformance seems somewhat lackluster, mainly due to it's extremely short range. It has limited armor and hit points but with the short range that makes it very easy to kill for something relatively expensive.

This is not the CoH3 version of the M36 Jackson.

[Private twinkle toe 1010011]

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

[Cipher Esteria]

USF in this game is closer to CoH1 than it is to CoH2.
Hellcats work, use them in combo with Shermans or in groups to outspeed and flank.

[VeeDemo]

Use them in pairs, or with a bazooka wielding unit to screen. I think they could probably do with a slight touch up, but nothing major. Honestly just reducing the cost of their MG would be enough for me

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by Private twinkle toe 1010011:

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

Its underused because it doesnt effing work. Ive been trying to use it and firing point blank at an enemy squad and it literally doesnt do damage.

Hellcats arent affordable enough to waste by sending them up so people use them like Jacksons. They are too light skinned and there is way way way too much AT in the field to use their speed capabilities. I wouldnt even consider them fast like the m10 was.

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Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Originally posted by Private twinkle toe 1010011:

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

Its underused because it doesnt effing work. Ive been trying to use it and firing point blank at an enemy squad and it literally doesnt do damage.

Hellcats arent affordable enough to waste by sending them up so people use them like Jacksons. They are too light skinned and there is way way way too much AT in the field to use their speed capabilities. I wouldnt even consider them fast like the m10 was.

Maybe thats why the description says its a anti tank unit...?

[CODGUY]

It's honestly hard to flank most enemy vehicles because even the fixed-gun vehicles like the Marder and the Sevomente rotate pretty fast.

The Chaffee with the proper AP and speed upgrades works way better as a fast flanking vehicle than does the M18.

[yapster]

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Originally posted by Private twinkle toe 1010011:

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

Its underused because it doesnt effing work. Ive been trying to use it and firing point blank at an enemy squad and it literally doesnt do damage.

Hellcats arent affordable enough to waste by sending them up so people use them like Jacksons. They are too light skinned and there is way way way too much AT in the field to use their speed capabilities. I wouldnt even consider them fast like the m10 was.

Hang on doesn't the HE barrage have a minimum range, or am I wrong? Maybe that's why it's not working?
Tightrope has a vid where he uses it a heap and rushes HE barrage m18s in games. Does pretty consistent damage and takes out a few models every time.

I agree though that hellcats are expensive enough and not quite fast enough that rushing them in becomes a very expensive proposition since you will most likely lose a few. I don't think it's too UP though, maybe just needs a small cost reduction or something.

[yapster]

Originally posted by CODGUY:

It's honestly hard to flank most enemy vehicles because even the fixed-gun vehicles like the Marder and the Sevomente rotate pretty fast.

The Chaffee with the proper AP and speed upgrades works way better as a fast flanking vehicle than does the M18.

The last two patches fixed the rotation speeds, they're definitely flankable now. I agree that the Chaffee is a bit better, but I reckon it's also to do with it's size which makes it more nimble.

[LOLwhat2]

Originally posted by yapster:

Originally posted by CODGUY:

It's honestly hard to flank most enemy vehicles because even the fixed-gun vehicles like the Marder and the Sevomente rotate pretty fast.

The Chaffee with the proper AP and speed upgrades works way better as a fast flanking vehicle than does the M18.

The last two patches fixed the rotation speeds, they're definitely flankable now. I agree that the Chaffee is a bit better, but I reckon it's also to do with it's size which makes it more nimble.

hellcat seems to have awful accuracy like grayhound without first strike losing tank fight it shouldnt since it misses even point blank

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by JASONNN:

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Its underused because it doesnt effing work. Ive been trying to use it and firing point blank at an enemy squad and it literally doesnt do damage.

Hellcats arent affordable enough to waste by sending them up so people use them like Jacksons. They are too light skinned and there is way way way too much AT in the field to use their speed capabilities. I wouldnt even consider them fast like the m10 was.

Maybe thats why the description says its a anti tank unit...?

IT HAS AN HE BARRAGE OPTION FOR ANTI INFANTRY

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by LOLwhat2:

Originally posted by yapster:

The last two patches fixed the rotation speeds, they're definitely flankable now. I agree that the Chaffee is a bit better, but I reckon it's also to do with it's size which makes it more nimble.

hellcat seems to have awful accuracy like grayhound without first strike losing tank fight it shouldnt since it misses even point blank

Yeah that's another problem.

[Arashenstein]

Originally posted by Private twinkle toe 1010011:

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

They removed the HE barrage long time ago, it is just ONE single HE shot now that reduces a bit of HP on infantry in the area.

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by Arashenstein:

Originally posted by Private twinkle toe 1010011:

It plays like coh1 M10, fast vehicle capable of outmaneuvering tougher and slower tanks with low durability. Its HE "barrage" is also really underused because, in actuality, it's CoH2 Scott barrage but direct fire instead of indirect.

They removed the HE barrage long time ago, it is just ONE single HE shot now that reduces a bit of HP on infantry in the area.

Yeah it essentially does nothing.

[[Admiral]Horatio]

It's useles, just get a Sherman and you've got a more versatile Tank, that basically performs as well as AT.. At least in team games, where static AT is always present.

[LOLwhat2]

Originally posted by AdmiralHoratio:

It's useles, just get a Sherman and you've got a more versatile Tank, that basically performs as well as AT.. At least in team games, where static AT is always present.

agreed number 1 worst unit in game is bazooka squad especially now that pjaeger are only 250. number 2 garbo hellcat nothing comes close to these two