Working simultaneously on AoE4 and CoH3, was clearly a mistake, both games lack content. Should COH3 be delayed?

[Blitzwing]

Working simultaneously on AoE4 and CoH3, was clearly a mistake, both games lack content. Should COH3 be delayed?

Lets take a look , in the meantime AoE4 was released and CoH3 is made, AoE3 remastered got 6 new factions. Total War Warhammer got 2 big expansions. Steel Division 2 has over 20 DLCs.

To stay afloat a game needs to get in time more content, but with release of CoH3 in 4 month, it's clear AoE4 has a short shift, while CoH3 doesnt get ennough attention.

So why not delay CoH3 for AoE4 DLCs? Isn't such approach more logical?
So COH3 can be next year more ready, with more factions and concent.

[MaGicBush]

Maybe I am crazy, but the graphics between AOE4 and COH3 look pretty similar in a way as well. It would explain why AOE4 has hardly any new content, and only patches so far besides the map editor(which should have came with the game at launch like every other one in the past). I do enjoy AOE4's campaigns, but they are short lived. Hoping CoH3 has a good solid campaign and lives up to CoH1.

[Pev]

Relic is such a huge disappointment for Age of Empires community.

[StupidSexyBigChunga]

Originally posted by Pev:

Relic is such a huge disappointment for Age of Empires community.

As soon as i saw the beta screenshots, the terribly cheap UI design gave away the fact that the game would be soulles and bare bones. I was right.

[kampfer91]

This is not the old Relic you know and love , this is the new one full of new inexperienced blood straight out of indoctrinate camp , i mean college ....

[Blitzwing]

Originally posted by cT_Gray:

I don't understand why DAK is not a dynamic campaign like Italy... I don't understand why campaign is not Co op or vs... they are rushing this game,

Problem isn't only rush, but also lack of post launch support.

I mean what about AoE4? Is it left to die? It only got like 1-2 patch with 1 new building and with colour selection after like a half year absence.

Focusing back on AoE4 after Coh3 launch sounds not very likely.

Originally posted by Pev:

Relic is such a huge disappointment for Age of Empires community.

+1
Would have been nice to get those people as customers too.

Originally posted by kampfer91:

This is not the old Relic you know and love , this is the new one full of new inexperienced blood straight out of indoctrinate camp , i mean college ....

But even in college should you learn like basics of economy?

The way it goes, it does not only decrease value of AoE4,
but also decrease potential customers who own AoE4.

[StupidSexyBigChunga]

Originally posted by Blitzwing:

Originally posted by cT_Gray:

I don't understand why DAK is not a dynamic campaign like Italy... I don't understand why campaign is not Co op or vs... they are rushing this game,

Problem isn't only rush, but also lack of post launch support.

I mean what about AoE4? Is it left to die? It only got like 1-2 patch with 1 new building and with colour selection after like a half year absence.

Focusing back on AoE4 after Coh3 launch sounds not very likely.

Originally posted by Pev:

Relic is such a huge disappointment for Age of Empires community.

+1
Would have been nice to get those people as customers too.

Originally posted by kampfer91:

This is not the old Relic you know and love , this is the new one full of new inexperienced blood straight out of indoctrinate camp , i mean college ....

But even in college should you learn like basics of economy?

The way it goes, it does not only decrease value of AoE4,
but also decrease potential customers who own AoE4.

The cheapness of the UI and lack of art design really let down AOE4 in my opinion. It has no soul and is no longer a work of art.

[kampfer91]

Originally posted by Blitzwing:

But even in college should you learn like basics of economy?

You think they taught basic economy in public college !?

[A1 Steaksauce]

I'm honestly kinda shocked people are even pre-ordering this. Not only is it overpriced, but CoH has turned into another pre-order DLC cash grab with little content. This was already happening in CoH 2.

[Coldhands]

Little content? CoH1 just had the one linear campaign for the Allie’s, right? Now CoH3 has a linear campaign for the DAK and a Total War style campaign for everybody, doesn’t it?

[GenSec39]

While I agree that CoH3 100% needs some good delay, I highly doubt that any DLCs will save AoE4 at this moment. According to Steam charts, it already lost 90%+ of it's playerbase. It has only few thousands more players than AoE II HD from 2013 (!!!!!) and 3,5-4 times less players that AoE II Remaster. QuAdrUpLe A strategy has 4 times less players than a remaster of 20+ years old game.

I'm afraid that CoH3 will follow the same route. Hype at the beginning, technical issues, lack of content, delayed DLCs, disappointment, fall of playerbase. Relic is a shadow of former self now. I do not expect miracles.

This is why you never "put a cart in front of the horse". Make a great game first. Improve it. Expand it's playerbase. And if you succeed - only then you should think about competitive aspects. Because if nobody plays your game - nobody needs your cybersport either. They create a game for audience which simply does not exist at this moment of time.

[Lord Haart]

The wheels are coming off

[VonFIDDE]

CoH3 alpha has many bugs and animations-issues, i do really hope they delay it and sort these things out first. Did not enjoy the gazillion DLC's for CoH2 and i assume they will do the same for CoH3 so at least the core can be good and finished before launch.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by cT_Gray:

Originally posted by Witski:

Most people play aoe4 on game pass tho.

Nahh none uses game pass

What do you base that on?

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

Originally posted by cT_Gray:

I don't understand why DAK is not a dynamic campaign like Italy... I don't understand why campaign is not Co op or vs... they are rushing this game,

how is it "rushing" when you are asking for stuff that was never in any previous CoH game?

[PopsiclePrime]

Is it just me, or do Devs only pay attention to Content Creators, rather than the people who actually play their games. In forum after forum I see players asking for simple things to make game play easier, improvements to the UI to show more economic data, WASD camera support, ability to choose player color, etc., and the Devs NEVER comment on the post. Never. Years go by and they say nothing. In live streams you will see people ask these questions and the moderator NEVER asks the Devs on the stream to answer these questions.

It is like the Devs only listen to the content creators because they have thousands of followers. But the content creators don't even listen to their subs. It is crazy. Ya'll need to stop supporting these content creators until they start listening to you and advocating for what you want to see in a game. Until then, the Devs will only listen to the people they are paying to hype and advertise their games. Which begs the question, do the Devs really listen to the content creators, or are they simply paying them off to hype their games, and any requests for changes that actually do appear in the game are coincidental to the player's wishes?