Why do I need to always be online

[Imperial Jiv]

This game requires I be online at to launch the game. Why?

[Slim]

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

[Imperial Jiv]

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

That is stupid. So now my $60 game has now been rendered worthless without an internet connection due to the fact that a minority of people may pirate the game.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

That is stupid. So now my $60 game has now been rendered worthless without an internet connection due to the fact that a minority of people may pirate the game.

Yep, that's life.

[I>U]

It's not just that, mate. You also have to wait for up to 48 hours after changing your hardware (any piece which Denuvo counts). And can't launch your game from other OS working with Steam on the very same computer, too.

And I can get why DoW3 had Denuvo. Because multi-million Sega has to warrant to multi-million GW that some kids won't see some Wookies and Stromtroopers for free.

But, seriously, CoH3 isn't shared IP. And Denuvo exists solely thanks to EA and Ubi. It's only purpose is a corporate agreement, just like Steam DRM, lol. M$ has their own protection which isn't as invasive and gives that magical first week before falling down.

So, yeah, Sega supports Denuvo in a good faith, nothing more to add.

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

That is stupid. So now my $60 game has now been rendered worthless without an internet connection due to the fact that a minority of people may pirate the game.

This is how all life services work.
This is not something that came out last week, its almost a decade of these life services.

Hell, the future of mainstream games is ALL of them will be always online.

[IEatCats]

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

That is stupid. So now my $60 game has now been rendered worthless without an internet connection due to the fact that a minority of people may pirate the game.

COH3 has Denuvo, that is everything you need to know about DRM and the always online connection. Availability was always the issue with piracy, people who only want free games (that 'other' store loves to do free game) will never pay a dime and will find ways to get it

[Imperial Jiv]

Originally posted by IEatCats:

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

That is stupid. So now my $60 game has now been rendered worthless without an internet connection due to the fact that a minority of people may pirate the game.

COH3 has Denuvo, that is everything you need to know about DRM and the always online connection. Availability was always the issue with piracy, people who only want free games (that 'other' store loves to do free game) will never pay a dime and will find ways to get it

I would get refund for this game if I could.

[Ash//Fox]

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

For a game where multiplayer is the main attraction? Game devs have been pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable in the name of anti-piracy for years now and it's always been a silly excuse to see what we'll put up with AND it's always been the same gaggle of infamously greedy companies who think it's so necessary. And of course we have to put up with this while the pirates themselves just wait an extra 2 weeks and then they get the same game, for free, with none of this ridiculous always online denuvo crap.

I was gobsmacked the other week when I booted up Jedi Survivor on my xbox and was told to bugger off because my router was on the fritz, a game that expected me to pay an extra $10 over normal prices too. Never normalize this crap.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

And there's also GoG that offers multiple new games with no DRM in it whatsoever.

Somehow they not just stay in business, they carved out the second largest marketplace for themselves after the near-monopoly that Steam has, at least according to the last stats I've seen.

This whole "but muh piracee" is so much pure BS. it's about market control. Doesn't help that SEGA is a Japanese entertainment company, and they are still living in the bootlet '80s arcade era.

We could have not just offline play, but LAN/DirectIP connectivity in most games. 2023 or not. But the new "slowly boiled frog" gamer generations not merely accept such artificial demands as always-online for single-player mode, but will actively defend them. Mostly because they are clueless about what it costs THEM, as customers.

"Damned gamers, they ruined gaming."

[Slim]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Slim:

It's the year 2023. It's the least invasive way to curb pirating. There are single player games that require that connection.

And there's also GoG that offers multiple new games with no DRM in it whatsoever.

Somehow they not just stay in business, they carved out the second largest marketplace for themselves after the near-monopoly that Steam has, at least according to the last stats I've seen.

This whole "but muh piracee" is so much pure BS. it's about market control. Doesn't help that SEGA is a Japanese entertainment company, and they are still living in the bootlet '80s arcade era.

We could have not just offline play, but LAN/DirectIP connectivity in most games. 2023 or not. But the new "slowly boiled frog" gamer generations not merely accept such artificial demands as always-online for single-player mode, but will actively defend them. Mostly because they are clueless about what it costs THEM, as customers.

"Damned gamers, they ruined gaming."

Again, have you seen many, if any lately, big investment in PC gaming outside of closed environments over the last 10, 15, 20 years? If you want a small indie game, with maaaybe a few hours of content, that you can buy a copy and lend to all your friends then you have GoG and more power to ya.

I don't play CoH for it's single player but I'm willing to bet that 2 and maaybe 1 both require you to be online to play. And has LAN been a thing since the late 90s?

As crap as Coh3 is I am still grateful that anyone is still developing for this dead genre. And honestly, with how widely available internet services are in 2023(hell I can play this over airport wifi), the only reason I can think of someone not wanting to be online is rare instances of being away or more nefarious activities.

[Slim]

Originally posted by Ash//Fox:

Can you go into detail of the issues your PC have had with denuvo? In all the groups of people who I've ever played with I have never once heard of an issue nor would I even know what it is if I didn't go onto small gaming forums.

Maybe there is something wrong with my PC that I don't know because I'm guessing I have several games with denuvo.

Edit: I'm literally using the same DVD drive I've had since the mid 2000s and only just recently upgraded my HDD I've had since the end of 2009.

*Edit: Oh, I see people are saying it's a performance situation. Ya, I guess I'd would have known.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Slim:

Originally posted by Ash//Fox:

Can you go into detail of the issues your PC have had with denuvo? In all the groups of people who I've ever played with I have never once heard of an issue nor would I even know what it is if I didn't go onto small gaming forums.

Maybe there is something wrong with my PC that I don't know because I'm guessing I have several games with denuvo.

Edit: I'm literally using the same DVD drive I've had since the mid 2000s and only just recently upgraded my HDD I've had since the end of 2009.

*Edit: Oh, I see people are saying it's a performance situation. Ya, I guess I'd would have known.

Goes a bit deeper as it also has the ability to prevent you from playing the games you paid for altogether and causes issues on the Steam deck due to the limits it imposes on the customer. I made a post with links, video and sources if you're interested: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3839928078010845091/#c3839928078015132274

[Royal Reg of Gloucestershire]

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

This game requires I be online at to launch the game. Why?

What's the problem with being online? Do you pay for the time you're online?

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Cheerio Lads 11th:

Originally posted by Imperial Jiv:

This game requires I be online at to launch the game. Why?

What's the problem with being online? Do you pay for the time you're online?

Some do. Metered connection are a problem with always online games. Some regions of the world also do not have reliable internet access. Some may also be against it on principle if it doesn't serve any value-adding purpose.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by Cheerio Lads 11th:

What's the problem with being online? Do you pay for the time you're online?

Being online isn't the problem,the problem is when you need internet or permission from a DRM server to launch the games you paid for.
You paid 20$-60$ for videogames (digital copies) , you suppose to have all of the freedom and can play the games however you want, because you paid for them, by using Denuvo DRM or force players to be alway-online they take that freedom away, as a result you're definitely not fully owning them even though you're already paid.
You paid for the products, but can't use the products the way you want. They hold your games hostages.