Allied light tank/at rifle spam is an unbalanced mess

[An Evil Person]

I just want some opinions on the ongoing stuart/crusader/at rifle blob spams.
It is just frustrating to see a swarm of light tanks, backed up by at rifle blobs destroying everything in their way, without any tactical approach.

[Valerian]

Play Allies for a bit. Try pulling it off yourself and observe the things your opponents do. Think less about winning/losing with it and just try to be honest about the risks/rewards you take on seeking out Stuart/Crusader/AT Rifle spams because it's not without its problems. Namely the total weakness of such a strategy to Pak/MG kites and mines.

[LOLwhat2]

Originally posted by An Evil Person:

I just want some opinions on the ongoing stuart/crusader/at rifle blob spams.
It is just frustrating to see a swarm of light tanks, backed up by at rifle blobs destroying everything in their way, without any tactical approach.

they fine though crsuader lose to both p3 and panzer 4 1vs1 even with 6 pdr upgrade. stuart bounces often on side of stug and rlly low damage per shot. keep in mind that for 2 stuarts u can get 4 marder fuel wise. boyz rifle have less range than even the 250 and do very low damage per shot also suck in inf combat.

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by LOLwhat2:

Originally posted by An Evil Person:

I just want some opinions on the ongoing stuart/crusader/at rifle blob spams.
It is just frustrating to see a swarm of light tanks, backed up by at rifle blobs destroying everything in their way, without any tactical approach.

they fine though crsuader lose to both p3 and panzer 4 1vs1 even with 6 pdr upgrade. stuart bounces often on side of stug and rlly low damage per shot. keep in mind that for 2 stuarts u can get 4 marder fuel wise. boyz rifle have less range than even the 250 and do very low damage per shot also suck in inf combat.

he pen stug 1/2 but stug can attack because he turn slowly xd
crusader are not a solo tank frontline, but in swarm, he is fcking strong, can totaly destroy everything

and for the OP, if you play werh, you need go luft all game and rush at least 3 panzer jager, 4 is the letal "blob" for os 1 stuart if they all hit, but 3 is ok and necessary everygame (like that you can eco fuel for panzer / tiger or rush 4 marder if he spam other tank (4 not least not more, 1 is useless, 2 can be ez destroy, 3 your opponent wont rush if he got only 2 tank, 4 -> scared of your marder, he prob try destroy them with at canon by bait or rush him at rifle with blob -> prepare 2 mg in early to preshot that

[Valerian]

Go Luftwaffe Kompanie against Brits to ensure he gets an easy punish on you. No. You need Assault Grenadiers and the Pak 40 right away against Brits. If used offensively the Pak40 will absolutely chase off Stuarts or Humbers trying to attrition your Assault Grens, then Assault Grenadiers in close to ruin British team weapons. Consider the Stummel more for its smoke abilities than HE but for that it is useful as well.

It is tempting to use the Pak 40 defensively. You should-but it needs support. Pair it with a minefield or Grenadiers for their snare and it can offset even shocking numbers of Stuarts or Greyhounds trying to overtake it. If the Turbonoob survives-he will be in no shape for a follow up.

If British player loaded up on Boys rifles to kill your Stummel he has imbalanced himself against your Assault Grenadiers. Luftwaffe Company simply doesn't have the right tools for this. Jagers are not sharp enough to wipe anything (they are clearly a stand-off/ambush unit with a defensive orientation) and 20mm Flak is at risk against Stuart which can mostly ignore it. The Marder is ok-but has paper armor.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of situations where you'll want to build both Panzergrenadier Comapany and Luftwaffe Company-but trust me START with PGren Company against British and Luftwaffe Company against Americans.

[Tenshin51]

UK barely spend their gas resource compared to the other faction in the game. In late game UK could have a ton of excess fuel resources. This is the main reason UK able to spam their Stuart and crusader tank in mid and late game. Relics need to give UK something to spend gas resources in early and mid game.

Like Infantry section weapon upgrades should be lock behind tech that cost fuel.

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by Hawkeye:

Go Luftwaffe Kompanie against Brits to ensure he gets an easy punish on you. No. You need Assault Grenadiers and the Pak 40 right away against Brits. If used offensively the Pak40 will absolutely chase off Stuarts or Humbers trying to attrition your Assault Grens, then Assault Grenadiers in close to ruin British team weapons. Consider the Stummel more for its smoke abilities than HE but for that it is useful as well.

It is tempting to use the Pak 40 defensively. You should-but it needs support. Pair it with a minefield or Grenadiers for their snare and it can offset even shocking numbers of Stuarts or Greyhounds trying to overtake it. If the Turbonoob survives-he will be in no shape for a follow up.

If British player loaded up on Boys rifles to kill your Stummel he has imbalanced himself against your Assault Grenadiers. Luftwaffe Company simply doesn't have the right tools for this. Jagers are not sharp enough to wipe anything (they are clearly a stand-off/ambush unit with a defensive orientation) and 20mm Flak is at risk against Stuart which can mostly ignore it. The Marder is ok-but has paper armor.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of situations where you'll want to build both Panzergrenadier Comapany and Luftwaffe Company-but trust me START with PGren Company against British and Luftwaffe Company against Americans.

Y go 3 pak vs Stuart spam, you will see how that is just useless, they rush your pak and destroy them

Luft = ez punish??? In what world ?
Gren upgrade mp40 + 4 panzer Jager = huge frontilnr with 2 mg and 2 marder for cover, they can't ez punish you as werh vs Brit like you said xd

[Valerian]

You're describing a game to me that you lost at a point much earlier than you think you did lol.

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by Hawkeye:

You're describing a game to me that you lost at a point much earlier than you think you did lol.

ok

[WaterBoy]

you know what's fustrating? watching german players spam either MG's or Halftracks + flamethrowers, so stfu

[Trem]

Originally posted by WaterBoy:

you know what's fustrating? watching german players spam either MG's or Halftracks + flamethrowers, so stfu

Allied winrates crowning 70% in some setups due to this BS
Axis having problems, those strats can't save them

https://coh3stats.com/stats/games?from=2023-08-24&to=now&mode=4v4

Facts

[iUseSporks]

Originally posted by WaterBoy:

you know what's fustrating? watching german players spam either MG's or Halftracks + flamethrowers, so stfu

yeah that's bc axis infantry cant compete with the US riflemen for 240 MP they have a cheap and super effective squad for early till late game. brits mg spam is super strong. best way to deal with this is to also spam MGs+ mortars. without call ins similar to the allies call ins (dive bomb or airburst) to deal with them they are forced to use other Tactics and infantry just dont make since

[Tenshin51]

Originally posted by iUseSporks:

yeah that's bc axis infantry cant compete with the US riflemen for 240 MP they have a cheap and super effective squad for early till late game. brits mg spam is super strong. best way to deal with this is to also spam MGs+ mortars. without call ins similar to the allies call ins (dive bomb or airburst) to deal with them they are forced to use other Tactics and infantry just dont make since

That is not true. Allied units are usually weak against close range especially with RIfleman. DAK Panzergrenadier and Wehr Grenadier with SMG using a BG can beat Rifleman in close range until Rifleman get their Bars.

Still LMG upgrade only boast their mid and long range capability not close range.

Even then US Rifleman are expensive compared to Axis due to grenade and Lmgs tech are lock behind fuel.

US Rifleman is decent long range especially UK Infantry section. Infantry is better in long range with recon package it boast their long range capability.

What's good thing with Allied infantry their veteran status. Unvet Axis with SMG will have a hard time dealing with vet allied infantry but usually they can deal a decent damage against Allied infantry in close range. Relic have buff SMG.

Definitely UK HMG is decent. It has the highest damage for HMG. Axis HMG 1v1 against UK HMG usually Axis gonna lose.

Problem people are not reading UK HMG ability description due it increase their long range and long range accuracy but decrease their suppression ability.

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by WaterBoy:

you know what's fustrating? watching german players spam either MG's or Halftracks + flamethrowers, so stfu

ok, if the master of allie said so ! :)

[iUseSporks]

Originally posted by Tenshin51:

Originally posted by iUseSporks:

yeah that's bc axis infantry cant compete with the US riflemen for 240 MP they have a cheap and super effective squad for early till late game. brits mg spam is super strong. best way to deal with this is to also spam MGs+ mortars. without call ins similar to the allies call ins (dive bomb or airburst) to deal with them they are forced to use other Tactics and infantry just dont make since

That is not true. Allied units are usually weak against close range especially with RIfleman. DAK Panzergrenadier and Wehr Grenadier with SMG using a BG can beat Rifleman in close range until Rifleman get their Bars.

Still LMG upgrade only boast their mid and long range capability not close range.

Even then US Rifleman are expensive compared to Axis due to grenade and Lmgs tech are lock behind fuel.

US Rifleman is decent long range especially UK Infantry section. Infantry is better in long range with recon package it boast their long range capability.

What's good thing with Allied infantry their veteran status. Unvet Axis with SMG will have a hard time dealing with vet allied infantry but usually they can deal a decent damage against Allied infantry in close range. Relic have buff SMG.

Definitely UK HMG is decent. It has the highest damage for HMG. Axis HMG 1v1 against UK HMG usually Axis gonna lose.

Problem people are not reading UK HMG ability description due it increase their long range and long range accuracy but decrease their suppression ability.

you're are talking about a wehr player upgrading their unit in order to compete against a non upgraded unit which they have to spend 50 munitions per squad to do while the US simply upgrades all of them for 20-30 fuel and then can upgrade them all again for munitions.

this isnt locked behind a doctrine card or tec upgrade they can do whatever build they want in order to achieve this but can make it stronger by getting infantry tec giving them cheaper munition abilities (idk if it makes the second gun upgrade cheaper) also they can get cheaper reinforce and an additional 10 health per model

[Tenshin51]

Fuel is an expensive resources in the game while munition can easily obtain in most map in the game so weapon upgrade with infantry section is rather cheap compare to US rifleman fuel upgrade.

It will take a while for US to get their Light vehicles if they will go in upgrading their rifleman.

This is a reason Axis can easily field their vehicle first if they will going against US if US player will fully upgrade their infantry. W/ UK they barely use fuel resources in mid game and even late game.

The one that suffer most with resource starve will be DAK due some maps doesn't provide enough manpower resource also their tech is lock behind fuel resources too.