British tank play

[PreenisPrincess]

Been playing british since the drop and wanted to talk about the mid and late game tank play.

The british tanks are terrible at tank to tank combat. The matilda which is a "heavy tank" bounces off panzer 4s all day. I think the grant tank has some utility but again is weak at tank combat. I was previously doing the black prince tree because that tank is a world beater however its mobility is so bad its almost not worth it (and you can only have one).

To me it seems the only viable strat is to mass stuarts early. Like have 4 of them running because they are cheap and can handle really any early tank or vehicle. Sell them back with the refund perc and go the regular churchill tank build. They can handle anything but the tiger it seems.

They need to buff the matilda to make it viable in tank combat so i dont have to go the armor tree every game to have any chance against german late game tanks.

If you are a british player hit me up with your strats and how you transition to the late game to deal with german armor!

[GFTDphoenix]

Personally I don't bother with the armoured battlegroup at all. As much as I want to like Churchills I find them too slow and don't have enough killing power.

Instead I go air and sea, skip the medical station and get a dingo to get 1 or 2 humbers out asap to sort out most early game units and go straight into grants.

9 times out of 10 you'll outnumber enemy armour with grants provided you have equal(ish) fuel points and when you don't, pop a typhoon loiter on them and push forward and take them out.

I don't enjoy this tactic that much as it totally defeats the point of the other brit tanks but it's the way the balance is atm.

The crusaders are good when converted to Mk3s but they're still quite squishy and the matildas have the armour to deflect the occasional shot but don't have the power to make up for it

A grant tank can demolish infantry, so oftentimes a couple of anti tank squads are no match, unlike the other tanks, and if you outmanoeuvre an AT gun, it's likely you can kill the squad before they can turn and fire, again unlike the other tanks.

[Davarey]

Bufff? British? Is this post a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke?

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by PreenisPrincess:

The british tanks are terrible at tank to tank combat. The matilda which is a "heavy tank" bounces off panzer 4s all day.

I don't understand this.

If you mean to make Matilda equal to Tiger or Panther, that ain't happening.

17-pounder has its reputation for a reason. :)

[GFTDphoenix]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

I don't understand this.

If you mean to make Matilda equal to Tiger or Panther, that ain't happening.

17-pounder has its reputation for a reason. :)

I think the crusader is in a good place for its price point, I just personally don't use it.

I think the matilda absolutely needs an armour buff.

[GFTDphoenix]

Originally posted by Schmuddelkatz:

Why would it get one?
78 mm maximum armor and 40 mm gun... Matilda never was a heavy tank in the first place, despite the description.

Go for crusader and M3 If you wanna play UK tanks

Matilda was very well armoured tank for its time, just horrendously slow. As a heavily armoured infantry tank, I'd expect it to cope with most tasks that don't directly involve tank vs tank combat or being out manoeuvred.

[Natas]

Matilda has 300 frontal armor use it.

[PreenisPrincess]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by PreenisPrincess:

The british tanks are terrible at tank to tank combat. The matilda which is a "heavy tank" bounces off panzer 4s all day.

I don't understand this.

If you mean to make Matilda equal to Tiger or Panther, that ain't happening.

17-pounder has its reputation for a reason. :)

The gun on the matilda is trash. it cant even kill panzer IV's. Bounces 75% of the time

[GFTDphoenix]

To be honest, if the Germans are fielding tigers. You should have either win most of the game since they have been saving resources to make them or you have been absolutely demolished already.

Late game axis factions will trump late game allied factions. The only real answer the British have to tigers is considerable outmanoeuvring or getting lucky with the 17 pounder AT gun.

[GFTDphoenix]

Originally posted by BoBo:

Whats the point of 300 frontal armor when your enemy has a 88 mm anti tank AP rounds slicing you like knife on a butter while your smole PP can't even pen the side properly.

omg churchill has 999999 frontal armor, use it not use it.

Coh2 has firefly and they should add that too
Heck evena a m10 would make much more sense then.


uhhh use your frontal armor.
to do what, throw it to a tiger like a spear?

I think the issue is the Matilda was well armoured for its time, but it’s time was in North Africa where the only trouble it has was against the 88mm guns and AT guns. Until the real late German tanks came along they couldn’t penetrate the armour of the Matilda.

In my opinion I think the PZ IV should be toned down a notch. I know it’s more expensive anyway but I believe it’s also too powerful if the devs are trying to portray 1942ish era tanks

It should have a similar cost to the Matilda but also have trouble breaking through the armour

[☭Commissar Midnight Man☭]

Matilda has a bad weapon good for infantary and light tanks... people compare the Tiger that does this and that... A TIGER cost 800 of man power and 185 fuel... i dont know how much it cost a Matilda but for that price the Tiger need to be good

[☭Commissar Midnight Man☭]

Originally posted by 秋月レン| MP40:

Originally posted by ☭Commissar Midnight Man☭:

Matilda has a bad weapon good for infantary and light tanks... people compare the Tiger that does this and that... A TIGER cost 800 of man power and 185 fuel... i dont know how much it cost a Matilda but for that price the Tiger need to be good

Yes so when will we get a tiger price tank that is actually good in british.

Churchill Black prince... if you say that is not good is because you never try it... the panzer 4, stug III dont do anything to him in the Front and it can penetrate the Tiger pretty easy... is better to play more then only complaining

[☭Commissar Midnight Man☭]

Originally posted by 秋月レン| MP40:

Originally posted by ☭Commissar Midnight Man☭:

Churchill Black prince... if you say that is not good is because you never try it... the panzer 4, stug III dont do anything to him in the Front and it can penetrate the Tiger pretty easy... is better to play more then only complaining

Literally try it.
Walk slower then a tiger , appear later then a tiger .

Also it never penetrate the Tiger pretty easy.
Unless they have pen as hell cat, it never makes them a reliable TD.
Tiger can just kite it all day long.

Tiger is the most expensive tank needs to be good and allies tank are cheap and effective a JACKSON cost 360 of man power and 60 of fuel if you use the battlegroup to the tanks be cheaper he only cots 240 of man power but the same fuel

[☭Commissar Midnight Man☭]

Originally posted by 秋月レン| MP40:

Originally posted by ☭Commissar Midnight Man☭:

Tiger is the most expensive tank needs to be good and allies tank are cheap and effective a JACKSON cost 360 of man power and 60 of fuel if you use the battlegroup to the tanks be cheaper he only cots 240 of man power but the same fuel

oh wait what? brits have jackson? I didnt know that, are we playing the same game hello>?

if you read my message i say ALLIES tanks not british

[Mythless]

ROFL Brits have the most efficient tank crusader which cause super snowball and matilda which is tanky as tiger for cost of nothing. WTF are you talking about buffing brits late game. They have the BEST late game in the game. WTF potato logic.

[Ostoia]

Matilda in current meta really has no place. By the time you can build its just better to either spam crusaders and getting grants.
They way to actually deal with late game AT issues is to spam crusaders.
I agree that dedicated mobile late game TD would much much better.
I am surprised that Archer was removed in the end.