Why i cant win a single multiplayer game?

[Vandeer]

I and my friend played a lot of multiplayer 4v4, but we always lost. We cant get a single win in almost 15 matches. I dont think we are a bad players, ok we dont have lot of hours in this game but in coh2 we are. But every match looks like this: We win early game for like 5-6 minutes until the enemy overwhelm us somehow with lot of infantry and mortars/artillery. I dont get it why ,i cant tell where we mess up .Every single match is ended in the same way. We tried different strategies,build order things,but we always lost.the closest match is ended with 0-150 points. Feels like the enemy can produce way more unit than us even we capture lot of territory. We play axis , but when we tried allies the same thing happened. I dont know its a common problem or its only just us but its really annoying we lost every match in the first 15 minutes.
I mean,if we are really bad we should win 1-2 match ,but we cant.Even we watched lot of stream,tutorial from s tier players.
I would appreciate it if you guys give us some advice.

[pidzi]

Play 2v2 with your friend so you wont get overwhelmed. 4v4 is generally follows stupid patterns where no strategics or tactics holds any relevance and value.

[Vandeer]

Originally posted by pidzi:

Play 2v2 with your friend so you wont get overwhelmed. 4v4 is generally follows stupid patterns where no strategics or tactics holds any relevance and value.

But when we played 2v2 the exact situation happened like before in 4v4-s.The enemy is next to our base with really tons of units at the 10th minute. Honestly i dont know how and what we did wrong.

[Morkha ||]

i'm a roockie and certainly not competitive player.
But i would suggest you to look at youtube replay and compare.
How they are controling the map, how they avoid to loose their units.
What units they are choosing in what situations.

Recently i saw that i was "creating" to many basic units, instead of doing a transition to a more advanced one. I also know that most of the time, around 10 minutes there is a transition to light vehicles that you need to be prepaired for with the correct counter.

I believe learning and analyze your own gameplay is a long path but certainly more fun than spaming the meta whitout any understanding

[TankinatorXD]

Could you explain a bit more what you are doing?

[Neilz]

I'm by no means a pro at CoH3 since I have less than 30 hours in it, (I do admittedly have 650 hours in CoH2, so I'd like to think I'm atleast Pretty Good, lol.) but, if you'd like, I'd happily join you and your friends in a 3v3, 4v4, or whatever, and see what's what. I won't be able to completely save you guys, lol; but I might be able to pick and spot places where I see you're struggling. :) Or, I could sit in a discord and spectate one of you guys screensharing your match, doesn't matter to me.

If you're consistently losing every single match you're in, either you've got terrible luck with Relic's matchmaker, or you're doing /something/ wrong.

[Vandeer]

Originally posted by TankinatorXD:

Could you explain a bit more what you are doing?

as i said,we tried different strategies.But mostly i do this:
im going to capture the victory point with the starting pioneers and the time i train a kettenkrad to capture points and another pioneer and build the infantry building.I build a little cover in the point for my infantry.If im doing luftwaffe doctrine i capture use paratroopers too for the victory point.
Maybe i recruit a grenatier or machinegunnner(i tried snipers too few times)
Then when i can i train Jagers and a 221. then jagers until i can get pz4-s.

I tried focusing artillery and mortars too,but every time the same thing happens no matter if i can hold the point,then they overwhelm another point in the 10th minute.

i dont think we use really bad strategies.

[Vandeer]

+thing i watching streams and replays from pro players but somehow their enemies dont do same thing like our.Feels like we playing totally another game

[TankinatorXD]

Originally posted by Vandeer:

Originally posted by TankinatorXD:

Could you explain a bit more what you are doing?

as i said,we tried different strategies.But mostly i do this:
im going to capture the victory point with the starting pioneers and the time i train a kettenkrad to capture points and another pioneer and build the infantry building.I build a little cover in the point for my infantry.If im doing luftwaffe doctrine i capture use paratroopers too for the victory point.
Maybe i recruit a grenatier or machinegunnner(i tried snipers too few times)
Then when i can i train Jagers and a 221. then jagers until i can get pz4-s.

I tried focusing artillery and mortars too,but every time the same thing happens no matter if i can hold the point,then they overwhelm another point in the 10th minute.

i dont think we use really bad strategies.

Mh
Might help if you would look into Coh3 stats site to see at which range units are good at.

And maybe play British as a beginner, they are the easiest faction.

[Siegfield]

Originally posted by TankinatorXD:

Originally posted by Vandeer:

as i said,we tried different strategies.But mostly i do this:
im going to capture the victory point with the starting pioneers and the time i train a kettenkrad to capture points and another pioneer and build the infantry building.I build a little cover in the point for my infantry.If im doing luftwaffe doctrine i capture use paratroopers too for the victory point.
Maybe i recruit a grenatier or machinegunnner(i tried snipers too few times)
Then when i can i train Jagers and a 221. then jagers until i can get pz4-s.

I tried focusing artillery and mortars too,but every time the same thing happens no matter if i can hold the point,then they overwhelm another point in the 10th minute.

i dont think we use really bad strategies.

Mh
Might help if you would look into Coh3 stats site to see at which range units are good at.

And maybe play British as a beginner, they are the easiest faction.

false, play wehrmacht, they are the easiest to learn and the most forgiving.

[TankinatorXD]

Originally posted by SuppEngineer:

Originally posted by TankinatorXD:

Mh
Might help if you would look into Coh3 stats site to see at which range units are good at.

And maybe play British as a beginner, they are the easiest faction.

false, play wehrmacht, they are the easiest to learn and the most forgiving.

No

[Neilz]

Don't listen to the people complaining about whichever faction is "easiest to play". Just pick one that interests you, and start to learn it. But; in all honesty? Unless I can watch a video or replay of your matches, I can't offer a lot of advice.

I should say this about copying "pro" streamers. They might be good; yes, but they might also be leaving out the fine details that they think everyone just /knows/ about a game or that would be boring to talk about. Unless they're explicitly pausing a match to explain every single little thing they do, how they do it, and why; it's not really all that helpful to a new player. Yes, you might learn some decent unit match-ups, or the vague flow of how a game /should/ go, or a build order, but you'll miss out on all the small stuff that streamers don't talk about because it can, frankly, be a bit tedious and boring. A lot of "getting good" at any game is genuinely just, going forward and trying ideas out. Seeing what works, what doesn't. Learning the fine controls and details that you can only really learn from actually playing the game. You're going to eat ♥♥♥♥, yes. That's part of it, but you'll also fundamentally learn how to play in a way that just watching someone whose good at the game can't quite teach you. Watching (and trying to copy) pro-streamers only really works when you're already pretty good at the game and know what you're doing, and why what they're doing works.

[Vandeer]

Originally posted by Neilz:

Don't listen to the people complaining about whichever faction is "easiest to play". Just pick one that interests you, and start to learn it. But; in all honesty? Unless I can watch a video or replay of your matches, I can't offer a lot of advice.

I should say this about copying "pro" streamers. They might be good; yes, but they might also be leaving out the fine details that they think everyone just /knows/ about a game or that would be boring to talk about. Unless they're explicitly pausing a match to explain every single little thing they do, how they do it, and why; it's not really all that helpful to a new player. Yes, you might learn some decent unit match-ups, or the vague flow of how a game /should/ go, or a build order, but you'll miss out on all the small stuff that streamers don't talk about because it can, frankly, be a bit tedious and boring. A lot of "getting good" at any game is genuinely just, going forward and trying ideas out. Seeing what works, what doesn't. Learning the fine controls and details that you can only really learn from actually playing the game. You're going to eat ♥♥♥♥, yes. That's part of it, but you'll also fundamentally learn how to play in a way that just watching someone whose good at the game can't quite teach you. Watching (and trying to copy) pro-streamers only really works when you're already pretty good at the game and know what you're doing, and why what they're doing works.

Well,i dont say i copy them,just get some advice,i always put my ideas and of course all game different a little so i adapt.I dont think i dont know the game mechanics because its really similar to coh2.Yea we need to learn the game with lot of playing but its really make us dissapointed and sad to watch we lose every match,if the match is close but we losting its okay but all the matches are one sided.I just dont know how the other players have around 50%winrate at the start but we only 11%,our only win because the enemy left in the start xd.But yea we will try winning and learning from every match.

We enjoy wehrmacht and i considering to try main DAK too,but the allies are boring for me.

[TankinatorXD]

Originally posted by Neilz:

Don't listen to the people complaining about whichever faction is "easiest to play". Just pick one that interests you, and start to learn it. But; in all honesty? Unless I can watch a video or replay of your matches, I can't offer a lot of advice.

I should say this about copying "pro" streamers. They might be good; yes, but they might also be leaving out the fine details that they think everyone just /knows/ about a game or that would be boring to talk about. Unless they're explicitly pausing a match to explain every single little thing they do, how they do it, and why; it's not really all that helpful to a new player. Yes, you might learn some decent unit match-ups, or the vague flow of how a game /should/ go, or a build order, but you'll miss out on all the small stuff that streamers don't talk about because it can, frankly, be a bit tedious and boring. A lot of "getting good" at any game is genuinely just, going forward and trying ideas out. Seeing what works, what doesn't. Learning the fine controls and details that you can only really learn from actually playing the game. You're going to eat ♥♥♥♥, yes. That's part of it, but you'll also fundamentally learn how to play in a way that just watching someone whose good at the game can't quite teach you. Watching (and trying to copy) pro-streamers only really works when you're already pretty good at the game and know what you're doing, and why what they're doing works.

wtf dude. Some stuff is just alot easier to execute.

[Siegfield]

Originally posted by TankinatorXD:

Originally posted by Neilz:

Don't listen to the people complaining about whichever faction is "easiest to play". Just pick one that interests you, and start to learn it. But; in all honesty? Unless I can watch a video or replay of your matches, I can't offer a lot of advice.

I should say this about copying "pro" streamers. They might be good; yes, but they might also be leaving out the fine details that they think everyone just /knows/ about a game or that would be boring to talk about. Unless they're explicitly pausing a match to explain every single little thing they do, how they do it, and why; it's not really all that helpful to a new player. Yes, you might learn some decent unit match-ups, or the vague flow of how a game /should/ go, or a build order, but you'll miss out on all the small stuff that streamers don't talk about because it can, frankly, be a bit tedious and boring. A lot of "getting good" at any game is genuinely just, going forward and trying ideas out. Seeing what works, what doesn't. Learning the fine controls and details that you can only really learn from actually playing the game. You're going to eat ♥♥♥♥, yes. That's part of it, but you'll also fundamentally learn how to play in a way that just watching someone whose good at the game can't quite teach you. Watching (and trying to copy) pro-streamers only really works when you're already pretty good at the game and know what you're doing, and why what they're doing works.

wtf dude. Some stuff is just alot easier to execute.

Such as wehrmacht.

[TankinatorXD]

Originally posted by Vandeer:

Originally posted by Neilz:

Don't listen to the people complaining about whichever faction is "easiest to play". Just pick one that interests you, and start to learn it. But; in all honesty? Unless I can watch a video or replay of your matches, I can't offer a lot of advice.

I should say this about copying "pro" streamers. They might be good; yes, but they might also be leaving out the fine details that they think everyone just /knows/ about a game or that would be boring to talk about. Unless they're explicitly pausing a match to explain every single little thing they do, how they do it, and why; it's not really all that helpful to a new player. Yes, you might learn some decent unit match-ups, or the vague flow of how a game /should/ go, or a build order, but you'll miss out on all the small stuff that streamers don't talk about because it can, frankly, be a bit tedious and boring. A lot of "getting good" at any game is genuinely just, going forward and trying ideas out. Seeing what works, what doesn't. Learning the fine controls and details that you can only really learn from actually playing the game. You're going to eat ♥♥♥♥, yes. That's part of it, but you'll also fundamentally learn how to play in a way that just watching someone whose good at the game can't quite teach you. Watching (and trying to copy) pro-streamers only really works when you're already pretty good at the game and know what you're doing, and why what they're doing works.

Well,i dont say i copy them,just get some advice,i always put my ideas and of course all game different a little so i adapt.I dont think i dont know the game mechanics because its really similar to coh2.Yea we need to learn the game with lot of playing but its really make us dissapointed and sad to watch we lose every match,if the match is close but we losting its okay but all the matches are one sided.I just dont know how the other players have around 50%winrate at the start but we only 11%,our only win because the enemy left in the start xd.But yea we will try winning and learning from every match.

We enjoy wehrmacht and i considering to try main DAK too,but the allies are boring for me.

Could you state your exact build order?