Crusader AA tank needs a buff...

[Emjay]

Quite simply as the title says.

It's an AA gun that does minor damage to infantry, arguably around the same as the humber car and it doesn't suppress. To add to that, it's also rubbish against any form of armour once it's above light.

What makes it worse? It can't even kill planes...

I just played a round where I saw the wehr opponent picked luftwaffe. Cool, I thought. I'll just get some AA tanks and all will be fine. I had 2 AA tanks and together they couldn't take a single plane down, even when one was at vet 3.

Axis on the other hand can take down any air call-ins with a single AA tank/emplacement, rendering your call-ins useless.

So how does that make sense? Not only does the axis AA deal seemingly more damage to infantry, it also seems to suppress (or am I mistaking that for CoH2?) And a single entity can down planes with ease, often in 1 shot. Mine were shooting constantly as the planes strafe across the map...

Definitely needs a buff?

[Kronie]

You have AT spam and Stuart spam.
And you're out here legit asking for MORE buffs?

[DoDonPachi]

Originally posted by Kronie:

You have AT spam and Stuart spam.
And you're out here legit asking for MORE buffs?

using a certain strategy doesnt mean a weak unit should stay weak

unless you think brits should only be played in one way?

[katzenkrimis]

I never use that tank. Completely forgot it existed.

Only use the Crusader II Medium with the upgraded 6-pounder.

I don't use the British Armored Battlegroup. Everybody is after the two Churchills in that tree, so they have no choice but to select the Crusader AA to get to the Churchills.

It's an easily forgotten tank because it's merely a stepping stone to Church.

I had to YouTube it, just to remember what the hell it was.

I've only deployed it once.

The video makes it look good.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d837M3Lq7Y

[JASON BOURNE]

Why you dont mention the actual best AA?
M16 USF hits the field minute 4, insane dps and range, instantly kills planes.
Crusader AA kills inf similar to wirbel but would argue the brit AA is better but youre not wrong about its anti air capabilities wich are non existing.

[Emjay]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ:

Why you dont mention the actual best AA?
M16 USF hits the field minute 4, insane dps and range, instantly kills planes.
Crusader AA kills inf similar to wirbel but would argue the brit AA is better but youre not wrong about its anti air capabilities wich are non existing.

The lack of AA is more my concern.

I find it frustrating that axis can just plonk an emplacement to deny air battalions and then allies need to get a truck to do the same, which is more vulnerable and doesn't even do the job they are meant to.

I genuinely wonder how many AA crusaders it would take to down a plane...

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by gloomycoin:

Originally posted by Kronie:

You have AT spam and Stuart spam.
And you're out here legit asking for MORE buffs?

using a certain strategy doesnt mean a weak unit should stay weak

unless you think brits should only be played in one way?

Its not weak, it got buffed a LOT as well.
You probably think its weak, because you're facing AT blobs.

[Eryan]

Originally posted by Emjay:

Originally posted by Jesus Christ:

Why you dont mention the actual best AA?
M16 USF hits the field minute 4, insane dps and range, instantly kills planes.
Crusader AA kills inf similar to wirbel but would argue the brit AA is better but youre not wrong about its anti air capabilities wich are non existing.

The lack of AA is more my concern.

I find it frustrating that axis can just plonk an emplacement to deny air battalions and then allies need to get a truck to do the same, which is more vulnerable and doesn't even do the job they are meant to.

I genuinely wonder how many AA crusaders it would take to down a plane...

88 emplacements wouldn't be so bad if they were single role or had a toggle to switch between modes. As it is now they shut down both air and armor at the same time.

Crusader AA does 20 dmg per shot.
88 emplacements do 240 dmg per shot.

Planes have something like 260 or 280 hp.
You need 3+ crusader AA's to be as efficient as a single 88 and a tank machinegun

[Eryan]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Originally posted by gloomycoin:

using a certain strategy doesnt mean a weak unit should stay weak

unless you think brits should only be played in one way?

Its not weak, it got buffed a LOT as well.
You probably think its weak, because you're facing AT blobs.

Crusader AA is bad at dealing with infantry. It's slightly better at killing inf than the AA truck, which loses to falchpios in green cover. but not by much.

[TheSuit]

Originally posted by gloomycoin:

Originally posted by Kronie:

You have AT spam and Stuart spam.
And you're out here legit asking for MORE buffs?

using a certain strategy doesnt mean a weak unit should stay weak

unless you think brits should only be played in one way?

I think his point is you can't have every unit strong.
Each army must have a weak unit so they can specialize in a certain role.

[Eryan]

Originally posted by TheSuit:

Originally posted by gloomycoin:

using a certain strategy doesnt mean a weak unit should stay weak

unless you think brits should only be played in one way?

I think his point is you can't have every unit strong.
Each army must have a weak unit so they can specialize in a certain role.

Crusader AA's primary role is AA. Guess what it doesn't do well as?

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by TrapCutie:

meanwhile the flak 38 can shoot down call ins from almost across the map

So can M16, for fraction of a cost and right at the start of the game.

[Eryan]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Originally posted by TrapCutie:

meanwhile the flak 38 can shoot down call ins from almost across the map

So can M16, for fraction of a cost and right at the start of the game.

Yes, very good AA through the whole game and good at chunking infantry,

88 is very good AA when it comes out and slaughters vehicles.

AA crusader is not good as AA, very mediocre as Anti Infantry and OK vs Light vehicles.
Light vehicles sure are everywhere when you get in a 4cp fuel heavy medium tank with a 20mm gun comes out.

[[TREIBJAGD] Ano]

the AA tank definitly needs a small nerf, not a buff!

[Emjay]

Originally posted by TREIBJAGD Ano:

the AA tank definitly needs a small nerf, not a buff!

Your mad.

There's no way it needs a nerf. It needs a buff in damage to air targets and either a damage buff to infantry or add a suppression effect (not both btw).

This is a unit that costs 5 cp to get to, by which point you can usually have a crusader 2 or matilda anyway, thus making it a poor choice.

[[TREIBJAGD] Ano]

do you use it in 1v1 or do you face it in 1v1? I guess not!
(not talking about killing airplanes)