How to play DAK without gustatori?

[Pappus]

Tried the armored commander and I kind of like it but damn the infantry is just so feeble. It is hard even just spending ammunition unless i spam mines everywhere.

Which infantry do you suggest?

Armor wise I really like the marders and 8-rad. The marders with the upgrades seem to have really nice penetration values and are low cost, but handling the enemy AT boy spam or in general infantry isn't going that well

[ZioAlec]

skip the panzergranadiers they are totally useless right now. If you want to spam infantry go with early bersaglieri 3 squad with medical track and 1 mg34, it works quite well, also depending of what your opponents do, you need to play aggressively tough

[Kronie]

Without Gustatori you can really only use the bersaglierl.
Our mainline infantry is garbage, also the Stug is the superior vehicle to get to and should probably be your first.

[Cesare]

https://youtu.be/Qlpf1xbhIiM
If it counts, this is a match of mine where i only used one guastatori squad. A combo of PanzerGrens and Jaeger can be great, and change the Guastatori for Assault Grens i guess

[Fragile]

Armored commander can kinda do decently if you can micro flak trucks well. Get the upgrade where MGs get powered up, then the ammo upgrade, and rip infantry apart while using your somewhat middling troops as interference. Flame tanks can also be amazing, and mess with any early tanks that try to counter if you can hit vet 1. You need some actual anti tank to deal with the tank, but you can make it pretty useless while you pop it. Command tank just makes your tanks really damn good if it's around for late plays, and you can vet it to be really damn good.

[Pappus]

Originally posted by Fragile:

Armored commander can kinda do decently if you can micro flak trucks well. Get the upgrade where MGs get powered up, then the ammo upgrade, and rip infantry apart while using your somewhat middling troops as interference. Flame tanks can also be amazing, and mess with any early tanks that try to counter if you can hit vet 1. You need some actual anti tank to deal with the tank, but you can make it pretty useless while you pop it. Command tank just makes your tanks really damn good if it's around for late plays, and you can vet it to be really damn good.

That is big part of the reason I went with armored. Cause that stun is ridiculously good at vet 1. However 5 CP is a big ask so I struggle getting those "in time". Which translates to me being too passive early, but there isn't really anything I can attack with infantry wise

[Methariorn]

Bersaglieri are very good and can help a lot capping and decap points since they move very fast out of combat. Get MG asap to help you control rifleman/tommy blob and go for flack truck and stug. Semovente is quite good as well and can help a lot vs M8 and Crusader rush and at 45 fuel it's quite cheap and imho better than the Marder III (less damage but more easy to micro).

[Falaris]

Keep in mind the 250 doesn't cost fuel. Put a flamer engineer in it and that will be quite useful. Kind of special purpose, and vulnerable, but useful.

[Pappus]

Originally posted by Falaris:

Keep in mind the 250 doesn't cost fuel. Put a flamer engineer in it and that will be quite useful. Kind of special purpose, and vulnerable, but useful.

I did try that and it is indeed effective. The problem is the amount of vehicles you really cant have too many since attacking becomes a nightmare with the pathing and blocking each other.

The bike also kind of always dies sooner or later so it kind of is a waste in 3vs3

[Kronie]

Originally posted by Falaris:

Keep in mind the 250 doesn't cost fuel. Put a flamer engineer in it and that will be quite useful. Kind of special purpose, and vulnerable, but useful.

250s are bad investments, fuel isn't an issue when it comes to DAK, its Manpower.
And them costing 260 is too high of a price.

[Pappus]

Originally posted by Kronie:

Originally posted by Falaris:

Keep in mind the 250 doesn't cost fuel. Put a flamer engineer in it and that will be quite useful. Kind of special purpose, and vulnerable, but useful.

250s are bad investments, fuel isn't an issue when it comes to DAK, its Manpower.
And them costing 260 is too high of a price.

It actually is pretty good. It has the heal which means you can delay the medic truck and press any early advantage you might have fought for.

While manpower is a problem you have to spend the early manpower on something so it either is a 250, pioneer or panzer gren.

Went from bike => pio => panzer gren to panzer gren => 250 => panzer gren and the force is much better now to work with. Unlike the bike it can actually take hits and push enemies out of cover really well and repairs in seconds.

Usually means I heal up after the first fight and for the second fight usually I get the heal from the 2nd 250 that you get via call-in.

Not to mention that you WANT a vehicle to fight with to buff your infantry. So if you are like me and dislike the bike because it will end up killed, then the 250 is a nice addition

[Youmanity]

Thats why they should fix gustatori and also balance the rest of the faction. Nerfing one OP unit does nog mean the rest has to stay the same ;-) Its really more fun if a faction has a strong roster then just 1 OP unit.

[Kronie]

Originally posted by Pappus:

It actually is pretty good. It has the heal which means you can delay the medic truck and press any early advantage you might have fought for.

While manpower is a problem you have to spend the early manpower on something so it either is a 250, pioneer or panzer gren.

Went from bike => pio => panzer gren to panzer gren => 250 => panzer gren and the force is much better now to work with. Unlike the bike it can actually take hits and push enemies out of cover really well and repairs in seconds.

Usually means I heal up after the first fight and for the second fight usually I get the heal from the 2nd 250 that you get via call-in.

Not to mention that you WANT a vehicle to fight with to buff your infantry. So if you are like me and dislike the bike because it will end up killed, then the 250 is a nice addition

250 and bikes die far too easily.
And Panzer grens are again too costly for what its worth, you're better off spamming away bers or spamming Pios until you get 2cp to get guastatori.

Light vehicles just aren't worth it, too weak to small arms fire.

[Pappus]

Originally posted by Kronie:

Originally posted by Pappus:

It actually is pretty good. It has the heal which means you can delay the medic truck and press any early advantage you might have fought for.

While manpower is a problem you have to spend the early manpower on something so it either is a 250, pioneer or panzer gren.

Went from bike => pio => panzer gren to panzer gren => 250 => panzer gren and the force is much better now to work with. Unlike the bike it can actually take hits and push enemies out of cover really well and repairs in seconds.

Usually means I heal up after the first fight and for the second fight usually I get the heal from the 2nd 250 that you get via call-in.

Not to mention that you WANT a vehicle to fight with to buff your infantry. So if you are like me and dislike the bike because it will end up killed, then the 250 is a nice addition

250 and bikes die far too easily.
And Panzer grens are again too costly for what its worth, you're better off spamming away bers or spamming Pios until you get 2cp to get guastatori.

Light vehicles just aren't worth it, too weak to small arms fire.

Bers are a battle group unit. A battlegroup I don't even play so I don't have that option. Infantry commander also doesn't have that option.

[Kronie]

Originally posted by Pappus:

Bers are a battle group unit. A battlegroup I don't even play so I don't have that option. Infantry commander also doesn't have that option.

Bers and guastatori are the only battlegroups worth playing though.
So maybe stop using the worst ones?

[mikec_81]

Originally posted by Pappus:

Originally posted by Kronie:

250 and bikes die far too easily.
And Panzer grens are again too costly for what its worth, you're better off spamming away bers or spamming Pios until you get 2cp to get guastatori.

Light vehicles just aren't worth it, too weak to small arms fire.

Bers are a battle group unit. A battlegroup I don't even play so I don't have that option. Infantry commander also doesn't have that option.

Just FYI, you are talking to a guy that is in the worst 25% of the DAK playerbase. Ignore this dude, he is clueless. The 250 is essential to early game to counter Pathfinders and Royal Engies and provides the huge accuracy buff to Pgrens.

https://coh3stats.com/players/282593