Any info on potential DRM/anti-cheat?

[Sabi The Worst Player Ever]

Previous Breaker had Denuvo and many big games nowdays get either anti-tampers like Denuvo or Arxan or kernel-level anti-cheats for no real reason. I avoid both, hence the question.

[pachelbel.gentlemen]

Well Tekken 8 and Sandland are two recent releases this year from Bamco and both of them did not have Denuvo and were quickly released into the "high seas" so I expect this to inherit that same situation since its been months since the store page was put up but still had no mention of any DRM protection of any sort, but only time will tell

[Lur Nen Rue]

at this point its too late, DRM/anti-cheat has been successfully marketed to japan games developer that at any point they want to port/sell something overseas DRM/anti-cheat is considered the norm. of course this doesn't affect all publisher or indie japan developer yet. but going forward you can expect DRM/anti-cheat to any japan big publisher games

[Altair1243]

Originally posted by Lur Nen Rue:

at this point its too late, DRM/anti-cheat has been successfully marketed to japan games developer that at any point they want to port/sell something overseas DRM/anti-cheat is considered the norm. of course this doesn't affect all publisher or indie japan developer yet. but going forward you can expect DRM/anti-cheat to any japan big publisher games

I mean, I hope not, cause 90% of people just won't buy that ♥♥♥♥ and they'll stop selling us the games. Sorry, I don't buy products that (A) can mess up my PC and/or (B) make said product nearly, if not entirely, unplayable based on some weird software interaction that I may or may not ever experience.

[ULTRANX]

Originally posted by Altair1243:

Originally posted by Lur Nen Rue:

at this point its too late, DRM/anti-cheat has been successfully marketed to japan games developer that at any point they want to port/sell something overseas DRM/anti-cheat is considered the norm. of course this doesn't affect all publisher or indie japan developer yet. but going forward you can expect DRM/anti-cheat to any japan big publisher games

I mean, I hope not, cause 90% of people just won't buy that ♥♥♥♥ and they'll stop selling us the games. Sorry, I don't buy products that (A) can mess up my PC and/or (B) make said product nearly, if not entirely, unplayable based on some weird software interaction that I may or may not ever experience.

idk why you're against this having an anti cheat or drm when this is a online co-op focused game like megaton musashi, gundam breaker series has always been online focused with 3 player online co-op, since ps3 and vita days. people will still buy gundam breaker 4 whether it has anti cheat/drm or not because this is an online co-op focused game and people are buying this to play together with friends. same with megaton musashi. quit treating this game like a normal single player game with no online features, this isn't like the sonic frontiers drm situation.

[Sabi The Worst Player Ever]

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

idk why you're against this having an anti cheat or drm when this is a online co-op focused game like megaton musashi, gundam breaker series has always been online focused with 3 player online co-op, since ps3 and vita days. people will still buy gundam breaker 4 whether it has anti cheat/drm or not because this is an online co-op focused game and people are buying this to play together with friends. same with megaton musashi. quit treating this game like a normal single player game with no online features, this isn't like the sonic frontiers drm situation.

Maybe because not everyone want to have invasive kernel level anti-cheat software on their machine? And why they would need to deal with that, when they intend to play solo? Take M&B Bannerlord for example - game can be played solo and only attempt to install and use anti-cheat when you try to start multiplayer.

Not to mention that DRM solutions like anti-tampers only eats resources at best and cause problems for users at worst, while anti-cheats never truly work. EAC is most "infamous" for inability to stop actual cheaters.

[Soul]

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

idk why you're against this having an anti cheat or drm

Maybe Cause they annoying asf and intrusive and only work against the consumer,ESPECIALLY since its a coop focused game.

[ULTRANX]

Originally posted by Sabi The Worst Player Ever:

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

idk why you're against this having an anti cheat or drm when this is a online co-op focused game like megaton musashi, gundam breaker series has always been online focused with 3 player online co-op, since ps3 and vita days. people will still buy gundam breaker 4 whether it has anti cheat/drm or not because this is an online co-op focused game and people are buying this to play together with friends. same with megaton musashi. quit treating this game like a normal single player game with no online features, this isn't like the sonic frontiers drm situation.

Maybe because not everyone want to have invasive kernel level anti-cheat software on their machine? And why they would need to deal with that, when they intend to play solo? Take M&B Bannerlord for example - game can be played solo and only attempt to install and use anti-cheat when you try to start multiplayer.

Not to mention that DRM solutions like anti-tampers only eats resources at best and cause problems for users at worst, while anti-cheats never truly work. EAC is most "infamous" for inability to stop actual cheaters.

except anti cheats like easy anti cheat are not invasive at all, they don't do anything to affect your other programs on your pc and it can easily be disabled to mod, its just you doing a bunch of fearmongering blowing something out of proportion. I have played games with easy anti cheat for years since before 2016 and never had issues with any of them. also anti cheats don't eat resources that bad at all, maybe if you have a computer that doesn't meet the recommended specs for the game maybe, like if you were playing on a laptop, but in this day and age you should be gaming with at least 16 gb of ram. also again, its an online featured single player game, of course its gonna have an anti cheat, otherwise people would cheat and online would be a mess. people like you being against anti cheats for online featured games are the reason online games are the way they are with cheaters on pc. also you all always blow the drm thing out of proportion as well, most it does is make you have to go online to access your game, which is a minor annoyance, but drm doesn't actually impact performance unless again, your computer isn't on recommended specs, I have a ryzen 5600g and rx 7600 and 16gb ram and I have had no issues whatsoever running games like sonic frontiers, megaton musashi, and other new games.

[ULTRANX]

"Not to mention that DRM solutions like anti-tampers only eats resources at best and cause problems for users at worst, while anti-cheats never truly work. EAC is most "infamous" for inability to stop actual cheaters. [/quote]"
anti cheats totally don't work when the easy anti cheat on dragon ball xenoverse 2 prevents you from playing against other non-modding players with mods. easy anti cheat has worked for xenoverse 2 for years, all the people ruining the xenoverse 2 online experience are on consoles because sony still hasn't done anything about the ps4/5 save wizard program that edits save files of games to have hacked skills and stuff.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

"Not to mention that DRM solutions like anti-tampers only eats resources at best and cause problems for users at worst, while anti-cheats never truly work. EAC is most "infamous" for inability to stop actual cheaters.
anti cheats totally don't work when the easy anti cheat on dragon ball xenoverse 2 prevents you from playing against other non-modding players with mods. easy anti cheat has worked for xenoverse 2 for years, all the people ruining the xenoverse 2 online experience are on consoles because sony still hasn't done anything about the ps4/5 save wizard program that edits save files of games to have hacked skills and stuff.

Easy anti-cheat has also banned innocent players a good multitude of times, chief. Take a look at Robocraft if you want to go down that timeline.

Kernel-level anti-cheats have become a necessity, I get that. But there isn't much use in making people install them if the cheaters are injecting their modifications through a system other than the one the anti-cheat is installed on. It's basically punishing customers for the actions of a few bad apples, but that's unfortunately the warfare race between cheaters and anti-cheat software. :(

[Soul]

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

anti cheats totally don't work when the easy anti cheat on dragon ball xenoverse 2 prevents you from playing against other non-modding players with mods. easy anti cheat has worked for xenoverse 2 for years, all the people ruining the xenoverse 2 online experience are on consoles because sony still hasn't done anything about the ps4/5 save wizard program that edits save files of games to have hacked skills and stuff.

"let me use one game to say nuh hu you wrong"

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

except anti cheats like easy anti cheat are not invasive at all, they don't do anything to affect your other programs on your pc and it can easily be disabled to mod, its just you doing a bunch of fearmongering blowing something out of proportion. I have played games with easy anti cheat for years since before 2016 and never had issues with any of them.

"Work on my rig,you must be lying"

Like,dude,really,Thats the counter points? You live in a bubble? Go see Elden ring and GBO2 forums and check what they say about EAC. Stop acting like the center of the earth for a minute.

In Elden ring case,It literally boot people out for "illegal activity" when they are playing vanilla,and even the devs in the past admitted the problem and tried to fix it,and its back for the dlc.

In GBO2 case,cheaters are constantly a thing,even with EAC.Idc no one bother to cheat on XV2 (which is a lie,but hey you never saw it so woooo it ain't true)

Seriously get some actually reasoning before blabbing out defending stuff that you know nothing about beside "I played and was fine".

[ULTRANX]

Originally posted by Soul:

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

anti cheats totally don't work when the easy anti cheat on dragon ball xenoverse 2 prevents you from playing against other non-modding players with mods. easy anti cheat has worked for xenoverse 2 for years, all the people ruining the xenoverse 2 online experience are on consoles because sony still hasn't done anything about the ps4/5 save wizard program that edits save files of games to have hacked skills and stuff.

"let me use one game to say nuh hu you wrong"

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

except anti cheats like easy anti cheat are not invasive at all, they don't do anything to affect your other programs on your pc and it can easily be disabled to mod, its just you doing a bunch of fearmongering blowing something out of proportion. I have played games with easy anti cheat for years since before 2016 and never had issues with any of them.

"Work on my rig,you must be lying"

Like,dude,really,Thats the counter points? You live in a bubble? Go see Elden ring and GBO2 forums and check what they say about EAC. Stop acting like the center of the earth for a minute.

In Elden ring case,It literally boot people out for "illegal activity" when they are playing vanilla,and even the devs in the past admitted the problem and tried to fix it,and its back for the dlc.

In GBO2 case,cheaters are constantly a thing,even with EAC.Idc no one bother to cheat on XV2 (which is a lie,but hey you never saw it so woooo it ain't true)

Seriously get some actually reasoning before blabbing out defending stuff that you know nothing about beside "I played and was fine".

'uses elden ring as an example when elden ring isn't an online game and therefore doesn't need an anti cheat.' have you all played the network test at all? if so you wouldn't be whining about anti cheat being in gundam breaker 4 if you knew even the single player aspect of it has online functions. in single player it has a fake pvp called bounty hunter, where you battle players from around the world's gunpla builds as bosses controlled by the cpu to farm parts you are missing that won't drop from quests. so yes, for something like that, you do need anti cheat or you'd probably break the bounty hunter mode somehow and cause bugs. how about instead of complaining about anti cheat and drm for a game with online features that isn't even out yet, try the network tests and demos and look up everything about the game instead of whining? this isn't an mmo like gundam battle operation 2 and it isn't a game like elden ring either, you aren't gonna be banned for the anti cheat in a co-op focused non-pvp non-mmo single player game with online features. and just because easy anti cheat did that to elden ring doesn't mean it would to gundam breaker, megaton musashi wired is a similar game to gundam breaker and I never had trouble with that game with easy anti cheat either.

[ULTRANX]

"anti cheats totally don't work when the easy anti cheat on dragon ball xenoverse 2 prevents you from playing against other non-modding players with mods. easy anti cheat
In GBO2 case,cheaters are constantly a thing,even with EAC.Idc no one bother to cheat on XV2 (which is a lie,but hey you never saw it so woooo it ain't true)"



apparently you need to learn to read. I never said cheaters weren't on xenoverse 2, I said cheaters are on xenoverse 2 on consoles. but on steam, you don't have cheaters because most people use mods, and the way the easy anti cheat works, it blocks modders from entering peer to peer connections with non modders and also blocks access to multilobby if you have mods as well. congrats on trying to correct someone about xenoverse 2 when I've been playing xenoverse 2 with mods since it launched in 2016, every year, and you haven't. you don't even own xenoverse 2 on steam nor mod it, you only own fighterz, yet somehow you think you know more about it than someone that owns the game? get out of here with that nonsense. and yes, i checked your owned games list.

Edit: also to add, acting like every anti cheat is bad no matter what game is just plain foolish, every anti cheat is different, even versions of easy anti cheat, because it depends on how the game devs code it and use it. for example people made a big fuss about the welbia anti cheat being added to phantasy star online 2 because of how it damaged other mmos like blue protocol yet the version of welbia in pso2 was a watered down less invasive version lacking all the features. it depends on the devs. instead of blaming the anti cheat for your issues with elden ring and gundam battle operation 2, you should be complaining about the devs of both those games not being good at coding their anti cheats to where they don't cause problems for innocent players. makes me glad I don't play those 2 games because every easy anti cheat game I've played I've never had issues with.

[Mikeblade]

i am confused thought gundam battle operation 2 was a pvp game not a mmo

[Soul]

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

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apparently you need to learn to read. I never said cheaters weren't on xenoverse 2, I said cheaters are on xenoverse 2 on consoles. but on steam, you don't have cheaters because most people use mods

More blah blah 'I never had issues'

Apparently you need to learn how to read too.You can easily bypass the Anticheat and still cheat,in all the game I and YOU mentioned,but "oh it never happened to me" so wow my argument is in the water huh? "you don't own it" So what tough guy? I can't talk of what I saw? So much clowing.

Cheaters exist on XV2 pc,stop lying,Elden ring have coop just like GB4,stop lying with your "it isn't an online game",you saw it say multiplayer right? Again bro come with facts not your base experience. (btw you don't own ER so why you talk huh? Flawed logic but you seem to love it)

"Cause it did it to ER doesn't mean it will do it to-" yeah shut up now you deflect and actually acknowledge it does bad things,but again,just go with your "well for me/maybe it won't" fantasy believing,like dude,stop digging your hole and just zip it at this point lmao.

And learn how to quote if you gonna try to """argue""".

[ULTRANX]

Originally posted by Soul:

Originally posted by ULTRANX:

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apparently you need to learn to read. I never said cheaters weren't on xenoverse 2, I said cheaters are on xenoverse 2 on consoles. but on steam, you don't have cheaters because most people use mods

More blah blah 'I never had issues'

Apparently you need to learn how to read too.You can easily bypass the Anticheat and still cheat,in all the game I and YOU mentioned,but "oh it never happened to me" so wow my argument is in the water huh? "you don't own it" So what tough guy? I can't talk of what I saw? So much clowing.

Cheaters exist on XV2 pc,stop lying,Elden ring have coop just like GB4,stop lying with your "it isn't an online game",you saw it say multiplayer right? Again bro come with facts not your base experience. (btw you don't own ER so why you talk huh? Flawed logic but you seem to love it)

"Cause it did it to ER doesn't mean it will do it to-" yeah shut up now you deflect and actually acknowledge it does bad things,but again,just go with your "well for me/maybe it won't" fantasy believing,like dude,stop digging your hole and just zip it at this point lmao.

And learn how to quote if you gonna try to """argue""".

all the cheaters in xenoverse 2 are modders, the easy anti cheat literally needs the mod patcher to make any cheats work, trainers and cheat engine people don't bother with for xenoverse because you can use a save editor to get raid skills or have a modded super soul and both are better than said cheat programs, and again, most people play either mods offline or online with other modders. also I could care less if elden ring has co-op, its an rpg, its mostly single player, and again, my point is the reason you had issues with elden ring is unlike xenoverse's devs, your elden ring devs suck at knowing how to code a good anti cheat that won't false ban people. Also I humored you and looked it up, elden ring does have co-op but its a more casual limited area online co-op function, like xenoblade chronicles x but more limited. Its still not co-op focused where the entire game is built around it like gundam breaker 4 is. Again, the anti cheat is just a badly made anti cheat by the elden ring devs, thats why you had the issues, not every version of easy anti cheat is the same, even a simple google search would tell you that.