Holy Tutorial Batman!

[Billy Blaze]

I've never played the first and second game, but "Gundam Breaker 3".
Also, I'm not a Gundam fan, just wanted a fun game.
And what fun it was, starting the game for the first time, getting shot to the moon while the most awesome music ever blasts through my speakers, while letting me handle and figure out everything on my own.

And now, we got "Tao" wearing glasses (because of course) dragging us into a tutorial mission... the lamest way to start off a game...

It may sound like nitpicking, but it's really annoying at some point.
The same with "Earth Defense Force".
The first 4 games let you figure out everything on your own while dropping you into the battle.
Meanwhile, the fifth game is like "Use the left stick to move!".
Oh... my... GOD!!!

So yeah... one game started with hyping me up, the other game treats me like an idiot.

(PS5 btw.)
EDIT: And yes, this isn't the first game with a nerdy "Tao".
At least the other one didn't tell "Ryza" how to move around.

EDITEDIT: Aaaand now the game is handholding the first customization process.
Come the ♥♥♥♥ on...

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

It's what happens when they release the first new game in 8 years, and on top of that they're selling to the foreigners now too.

>hating on the Kansai accent friend.

Kids these days, I swear.

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by Billy Blaze:

I've never played the first and second game, but "Gundam Breaker 3".
Also, I'm not a Gundam fan, just wanted a fun game.
And what fun it was, starting the game for the first time, getting shot to the moon while the most awesome music ever blasts through my speakers, while letting me handle and figure out everything on my own.

And now, we got "Tao" wearing glasses (because of course) dragging us into a tutorial mission... the lamest way to start off a game...

It may sound like nitpicking, but it's really annoying at some point.
The same with "Earth Defense Force".
The first 4 games let you figure out everything on your own while dropping you into the battle.
Meanwhile, the fifth game is like "Use the left stick to move!".
Oh... my... GOD!!!

So yeah... one game started with hyping me up, the other game treats me like an idiot.

(PS5 btw.)
EDIT: And yes, this isn't the first game with a nerdy "Tao".
At least the other one didn't tell "Ryza" how to move around.

EDITEDIT: Aaaand now the game is handholding the first customization process.
Come the ♥♥♥♥ on...

Go try Dx2 on your phone for about an hour.... I've had games where the entire campaign was the tutorial.

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

It's what happens when they release the first new game in 8 years, and on top of that they're selling to the foreigners now too.

It's been the trend in Japanese games for a few years at this point. To be fair, it's finally getting better: they're having us do things instead of sitting through 5 minutes of clicking (assuming you read nothing) in an information dump style way. Curious why it doesn't happen in games like Ace Combat or Code Vein, though: those only give you the bare basics, and not very well.

>hating on the Kansai accent friend.

Kids these days, I swear.

Who's hating on 関西弁?

[Papa john]

it's not even 15 minutes bro
if this is too much for you god help you if you play an atlus game
those mf's will drop tutorials on you 60 hours in

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by reimu:

it's not even 15 minutes bro
if this is too much for you god help you if you play an atlus game
those mf's will drop tutorials on you 60 hours in

Atlus... I forget what game it was, but i thnk they were the ones that made the game where the whole campaign was the tutorial. EgoSoft does that too, but it's not mandatory to follow the tutorial path.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by reimu:

it's not even 15 minutes bro
if this is too much for you god help you if you play an atlus game
those mf's will drop tutorials on you 60 hours in

Atlus... I forget what game it was, but i thnk they were the ones that made the game where the whole campaign was the tutorial. EgoSoft does that too, but it's not mandatory to follow the tutorial path.

persona/ smt are what they're most known for
persona 5 has tutorials in the first 3 or 4 major palaces
which are each around 10-15 hours on a first playthrough

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by reimu:

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Atlus... I forget what game it was, but i thnk they were the ones that made the game where the whole campaign was the tutorial. EgoSoft does that too, but it's not mandatory to follow the tutorial path.

persona/ smt are what they're most known for
persona 5 has tutorials in the first 3 or 4 major palaces
which are each around 10-15 hours on a first playthrough

I remember with Dx2, I wanted to rip my eyeballs hour and break my tablet (didn't have a phone at the time).

[Papa john]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by reimu:

persona/ smt are what they're most known for
persona 5 has tutorials in the first 3 or 4 major palaces
which are each around 10-15 hours on a first playthrough

I remember with Dx2, I wanted to rip my eyeballs hour and break my tablet (didn't have a phone at the time).

i never played that one
jrpg's can go pretty crazy on the tutorials
most anything after the early 2000's goes pretty crazy on them

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by reimu:

Originally posted by kohlrak:

I remember with Dx2, I wanted to rip my eyeballs hour and break my tablet (didn't have a phone at the time).

i never played that one
jrpg's can go pretty crazy on the tutorials
most anything after the early 2000's goes pretty crazy on them

Free-to-play, if you want to go through the BS again. I haven't played enough persona to know, but having played SMT, Dx2 is a mobile SMT with persona setting.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by reimu:

i never played that one
jrpg's can go pretty crazy on the tutorials
most anything after the early 2000's goes pretty crazy on them

Free-to-play, if you want to go through the BS again. I haven't played enough persona to know, but having played SMT, Dx2 is a mobile SMT with persona setting.

oh don't worry
the more recent kiseki games gave me my fix for tutorials for a while

[Billy Blaze]

Originally posted by reimu:

it's not even 15 minutes bro
if this is too much for you god help you if you play an atlus game
those mf's will drop tutorials on you 60 hours in

The length isn't the problem here.
I've made the comparison to the third game for a good reason, and how it feels to start that game compared to this game here.
And again... the things the tutorial tries to teach you.

In "Atelier", you have this convoluted crafting system, where the tutorial gives you a leg to stand on.
In some "Trails" games, you learn mostly what's new and how the new magic system works.

These games aren't like "Use the left Stick to move around." and they don't handhold your menu navigation for customizing something, as if it's a mobile game.

Speaking... off... mobile game...

"Gundam Breaker 4" goes so far to act like it's the most awesome thing that the player is able to select a mission.
"Wow, you selected a mission all by yourself?! I bet you become a real pro at some point."

I'm not a baby.
Selecting a mission in a mission based game isn't an achievement.
This game makes it so hard for me to follow the story, cause it's all about making the player feel awesome for the most mindless things.

"Great, you've added this part and look much cooler now!"
I'm not looking cooler you clown!
I'm a regular ass Gundam who has the arm of a Zaku II, which looks super dumb right now!
WHY ARE YOU WEARING GLASSES?!?


So again... I can't stress enough that it isn't about how long it takes for the game to get going...

[MedicFriend]

Imagine thinking the crafting system in any atelier game is convoluted.

You're exactly the person the tutorial is for.

[SebastianKaito]

Originally posted by Billy Blaze:

Originally posted by reimu:

it's not even 15 minutes bro
if this is too much for you god help you if you play an atlus game
those mf's will drop tutorials on you 60 hours in

The length isn't the problem here.
I've made the comparison to the third game for a good reason, and how it feels to start that game compared to this game here.
And again... the things the tutorial tries to teach you.

In "Atelier", you have this convoluted crafting system, where the tutorial gives you a leg to stand on.
In some "Trails" games, you learn mostly what's new and how the new magic system works.

These games aren't like "Use the left Stick to move around." and they don't handhold your menu navigation for customizing something, as if it's a mobile game.

Speaking... off... mobile game...

"Gundam Breaker 4" goes so far to act like it's the most awesome thing that the player is able to select a mission.
"Wow, you selected a mission all by yourself?! I bet you become a real pro at some point."

I'm not a baby.
Selecting a mission in a mission based game isn't an achievement.
This game makes it so hard for me to follow the story, cause it's all about making the player feel awesome for the most mindless things.

"Great, you've added this part and look much cooler now!"
I'm not looking cooler you clown!
I'm a regular ass Gundam who has the arm of a Zaku II, which looks super dumb right now!
WHY ARE YOU WEARING GLASSES?!?


So again... I can't stress enough that it isn't about how long it takes for the game to get going...

Bro , play the F game . whats your problem ....

[Trunksmad]

You want to complain about tutorial's? FFXIV brother. Literally, from level 1 to 50 and beating the Garleans, is just "Welcome to our game and thanks for playing the base part of it. Now prepare to be dropped with 100 side quests till you buy the expansions, where we change everything up"