Advice On Defeating Secret Boss (Possible Spoilers)

[Skonax]

Thought I ask if anyone has beaten Jevil, one of the secret bosses yet, and if so, what you did to defeat him and if he pays anything good loot out or just an extra side battle. I tried this battle 10+ times already, and each time, I lose because he attack projectives happen so fast that I can't react to them that quickly (has like 100+ projectiles on screen for an attack at any one time), and by next turn, I already have 2ish characters down and usually dead by turn 3. I can understand the fight being hard since he is a secret boss, but with the timing of dodging all of his attacks being like I have to react at the speed of light, I can't tell if defeating him and the other secret boss is tied to any better endings for chapter 1 or I can ignore him without anything getting affected in the story.

[BreadButterLight]

Defeating the secret bosses grant you a weapon/armour (weapon for fighting, armour for sparing), as well as a shadow crystal , which seem to be important for the story of future chapters, but doesn't change anything right now. The ending for chapter 1 will be the same whether you fight him or not.

Trust me when I say it's all about practice. Some attacks are harder to dodge than others, but they're all possible to no-hit. Learn each attack and find out how to dodge them. Get good at grazing bullets as well; that extra TP will be very helpful, whether you choose fight or spare him. All of his attacks come in the same order, so if one's coming up that you have trouble with, that make sure to heal before it.

For items, I would recommend bringing the two revive mints, the club sandwich, some choco diamonds (for Kris, as they heal more from them.), hearts donuts (for Susie, same thing), dark burgers (mainly Ralsei), and trading in the top cake for the spin cake. It is weaker, but it's more powerful in chapter two so it's worth it there.

Items and armour should be pretty standard. Give your higher defence ones to Ralsei, as he's your weakest. If you plan on sparing Jevil, give him the Dainty Scarf. Even when fighting I would recommend it, just because the extra healing is nice.

[Strytolikus]

The secret bosses don't affect the ending of either chapter. Defeating them gives you a special piece of equipment and a shadow crystal. It's not clear what shadow crystals are for at this time. They will presumably have a use in the future, but as of now, no one knows. Our best guess is that they can be purified and used for crafting more items, based on unused game data.

[Skonax]

Originally posted by Strytolikus:

The secret bosses don't affect the ending of either chapter. Defeating them gives you a special piece of equipment and a shadow crystal. It's not clear what shadow crystals are for at this time. They will presumably have a use in the future, but as of now, no one knows. Our best guess is that they can be purified and used for crafting more items, based on unused game data.

Thanks for the tip. As for defeating them, do you have any suggestions on defeating them since the first secret boss of chapter 1 gave me trouble and I don't know how to deal with his attacks patterns of 50+ things being on screen for an attack (worse than the final chapter boss of chapter 1? Jevil gave me trouble already after 10ish tries, and I don't know if I should give up that fight and trying so much and move on with the main story.

[Strytolikus]

Originally posted by Skonax:

Originally posted by Strytolikus:

The secret bosses don't affect the ending of either chapter. Defeating them gives you a special piece of equipment and a shadow crystal. It's not clear what shadow crystals are for at this time. They will presumably have a use in the future, but as of now, no one knows. Our best guess is that they can be purified and used for crafting more items, based on unused game data.

Thanks for the tip. As for defeating them, do you have any suggestions on defeating them since the first secret boss of chapter 1 gave me trouble and I don't know how to deal with his attacks patterns of 50+ things being on screen for an attack (worse than the final chapter boss of chapter 1? Jevil gave me trouble already after 10ish tries, and I don't know if I should give up that fight and trying so much and move on with the main story.

To be honest, I had trouble with the attack patterns at first too. I am more used to action game-style combat where you are focused on a relatively small amount of enemies. Trying to keep track of all the bullets of bullet hell-style combat felt impossible. What I learned to do was limit my focus to the area immediately around the player's hitbox/SOUL, and now I've beaten both secret bosses. This works for me, though I don't know if it would work for anyone else.

Kris's Pirouette may seem to have random effects, but the effect applied is actually based on the current turn number. Many of these effects are negative or neutral, but some may be desirable. On turn two, it decreases Jevil's defense (only useful if you aim to defeat him violently), on turn four, it temporarily decreases Jevil's attack (for the same amount as hypnosis would unless it's very late in the battle), on turn six, it will heal one party member, on turn seven, it shuffles HP bars (will revive downed party members at 1 HP at the cost of applying damage to other members), and on turn nine, it heals all party members. After turn nine, the cycle resets, and the next turn is treated as turn one. All effects can be viewed on the Deltarune wiki.[deltarune.fandom.com]

Take your best healing items and equipment. BreadButterLight already explained this pretty well.

Really though, it's all about practice.

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[Skonax]

Originally posted by Strytolikus:

Originally posted by Skonax:

Thanks for the tip. As for defeating them, do you have any suggestions on defeating them since the first secret boss of chapter 1 gave me trouble and I don't know how to deal with his attacks patterns of 50+ things being on screen for an attack (worse than the final chapter boss of chapter 1? Jevil gave me trouble already after 10ish tries, and I don't know if I should give up that fight and trying so much and move on with the main story.

To be honest, I had trouble with the attack patterns at first too. I am more used to action game-style combat where you are focused on a relatively small amount of enemies. Trying to keep track of all the bullets of bullet hell-style combat felt impossible. What I learned to do was limit my focus to the area immediately around the player's hitbox/SOUL, and now I've beaten both secret bosses. This works for me, though I don't know if it would work for anyone else.

Kris's Pirouette may seem to have random effects, but the effect applied is actually based on the current turn number. Many of these effects are negative or neutral, but some may be desirable. On turn two, it decreases Jevil's defense (only useful if you aim to defeat him violently), on turn four, it temporarily decreases Jevil's attack (for the same amount as hypnosis would unless it's very late in the battle), on turn six, it will heal one party member, on turn seven, it shuffles HP bars (will revive downed party members at 1 HP at the cost of applying damage to other members), and on turn nine, it heals all party members. After turn nine, the cycle resets, and the next turn is treated as turn one. All effects can be viewed on the Deltarune wiki.[deltarune.fandom.com]

Take your best healing items and equipment. BreadButterLight already explained this pretty well.

Really though, it's all about practice.

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Thanks for the advice and links. I'll take it into account.

As a side note, I feel like this game could be getting attention due to the Nintendo Direct from this week, but also it could remind some people of the old Mother games from SNES from over 20 years ago and Mother 3 never making it to America. I never played mother with Lucas and Ness in it, but the graphics remind me somewhat of it.

[Goloro]

When I beat Jevil my inventory was the top cake, a revive mint and the rest was darkburgers. I used the pacify method to get the armour, which is easier and the armour is better than the weapon.

Just try to memorise attack patterns, I did the same thing for Neo as well, but I've only beaten the harder snowgrave version of Neo, not the regular one lol.