DELTARUNE

DELTARUNE

DearestRook25 2021 年 9 月 18 日 下午 9:52
So am i the only one that noticed Ralsei is clearly hiding something?
First off, how did he get to the library? All the other darkeners need the help of lighteners to travel between the dark worlds (example: Lancer and stupid puzzle man who go into your pocket) but Ralsei just kind of shows up at the cyber world with no apparent explanation.

A weird thing that is pointed out when you examine the small closet inside the library computer room is how someone could fit in there. That does seem out of nowhere but if you remember the locked door inside of the school room that chapter 1 takes place inside of the game may be hinting at the fact someone was in hiding while Kris and Susie adventure into the dark worlds.

While Lancer and annoying dumb puzzle man turn into statues inside of the library dark world Ralsei does not. Why is that? This is either a dumb plot flaw that wasnt explained or a clue that Ralsei may not be who he says he is. He does after all know what Kris's room looks like and has a clear resemblance to Asriel from Undertale. My personal theory is that Ralsei is actually a disguised Asriel that is somehow following you into the dark worlds and going into adventures with the other protagonists with the objective of wiping out all the dark fountains.

If you dont like my theory remember just a theory a game theory thanks for watching i mean reading
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Twiggs 2021 年 10 月 24 日 下午 6:10 
引用自 King Ultimax
My opinion on him is that he does know things, he just doesn't realize he needs to share them. Think about it. He's been alone, waiting for those who might not come, and probably didn't think much of it. Basically, while it may seem his social skill is at 10, it's actually near zero. He was surprised when Queen revealed she knew nothing of the Roaring, and seems to get flustered easily with things that don't match up with how he thought it would go. So perhaps he's not secretly evil.

Ralsei isn't secretly evil, that would be a bit too obvious, it's more likely Ralsei might betray the player though to save Kris from your actions
fushigi friend 2021 年 10 月 24 日 下午 7:55 
引用自 Twiggs
引用自 King Ultimax
My opinion on him is that he does know things, he just doesn't realize he needs to share them. Think about it. He's been alone, waiting for those who might not come, and probably didn't think much of it. Basically, while it may seem his social skill is at 10, it's actually near zero. He was surprised when Queen revealed she knew nothing of the Roaring, and seems to get flustered easily with things that don't match up with how he thought it would go. So perhaps he's not secretly evil.

Ralsei isn't secretly evil, that would be a bit too obvious, it's more likely Ralsei might betray the player though to save Kris from your actions
I think that his loyalties are the reverse of that, actually. I think that Ralsei only really likes the player.
Binchi 2021 年 10 月 24 日 下午 8:02 
If thats the case, then how is Azzy able to call Kris? Cause in the dark world, if you call, uhhh you get loads of garbage noise. And one more thing, why in the actual hell would he go to the dark world in the first place? He seems to have a prospering life, and is pretty popular in town. :papyrus:
Twiggs 2021 年 10 月 24 日 下午 8:34 
引用自 Twiggs

Ralsei isn't secretly evil, that would be a bit too obvious, it's more likely Ralsei might betray the player though to save Kris from your actions
I think that his loyalties are the reverse of that, actually. I think that Ralsei only really likes the player.

I don't think that is the case, as we have seen twice now that Ralsei has secretly being having chats to Kris when the player isn't focused on them, in chapter one with Susie doing the puzzles, and chapter two with the ferris wheel scene.
Toxi 2021 年 10 月 24 日 下午 9:37 
引用自 King Ultimax
My opinion on him is that he does know things, he just doesn't realize he needs to share them. Think about it. He's been alone, waiting for those who might not come, and probably didn't think much of it. Basically, while it may seem his social skill is at 10, it's actually near zero. He was surprised when Queen revealed she knew nothing of the Roaring, and seems to get flustered easily with things that don't match up with how he thought it would go. So perhaps he's not secretly evil.
Keep this in mind though, just because most people think Ralsei is suspicious this chapter, that doesn't mean he's just all of a sudden evil.. that's, just, silly.. I don't buy this theory, needs more evidence.

The reasons for hiding something could be similar to the logic above, my guess is whenever Ralsei's getting us to focus on Susie, he's probably trying to calm down and/or reassure Kris about what's happening.
MBcodes18 2021 年 10 月 25 日 上午 6:21 
引用自 Toxi
引用自 King Ultimax
My opinion on him is that he does know things, he just doesn't realize he needs to share them. Think about it. He's been alone, waiting for those who might not come, and probably didn't think much of it. Basically, while it may seem his social skill is at 10, it's actually near zero. He was surprised when Queen revealed she knew nothing of the Roaring, and seems to get flustered easily with things that don't match up with how he thought it would go. So perhaps he's not secretly evil.
Keep this in mind though, just because most people think Ralsei is suspicious this chapter, that doesn't mean he's just all of a sudden evil.. that's, just, silly.. I don't buy this theory, needs more evidence.

The reasons for hiding something could be similar to the logic above, my guess is whenever Ralsei's getting us to focus on Susie, he's probably trying to calm down and/or reassure Kris about what's happening.
Yeah i think hes not evil hes trying to help kris with the player controlling him. Cuz kris would have no way of knowing whats happening in those scenes but the player would.
fushigi friend 2021 年 10 月 25 日 上午 6:34 
引用自 Twiggs
I think that his loyalties are the reverse of that, actually. I think that Ralsei only really likes the player.

I don't think that is the case, as we have seen twice now that Ralsei has secretly being having chats to Kris when the player isn't focused on them, in chapter one with Susie doing the puzzles, and chapter two with the ferris wheel scene.
oooh, that's interesting. purposefully getting the player to look away so that kris and him can have some privacy
(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 2021 年 10 月 25 日 上午 7:09 
So I’m back on the Ralsei is Other Brother side. Because I realized that the Titans could be previous players/Lightners he has tricked into being lost to the dark in order to perpetuate his existence and purpose.
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 2021 年 10 月 25 日 上午 10:41 
So I’m back on the Ralsei is Other Brother side. Because I realized that the Titans could be previous players/Lightners he has tricked into being lost to the dark in order to perpetuate his existence and purpose.

Deltarune is a single player game without netplay, though. :v


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Leffrey 2021 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:04 
引用自 sirjomb
There's a part of me wanting to go "what if Ralsei is actually toriel?"

Like, I'm not very good at really pulling out the tiny details to suggest this, but there are the previously mentioned hints like the locked door in the classroom, and it specified a "big" person could've fit in the closet in the computer room. Then when Kris was taking a long time in the bathroom, she told Susie "They do this sometimes" meaning she does have some awareness to Kris's... condition.

Now, I'm not holding onto this idea too seriously, but it would definitely be confirmed or denied in Chapter 3 given Toriel is definitely going to be pulled into the dark world given Kris opened a portal literally in the middle of the room they're all sleeping in. (probably Undyne too since Toriel called the cops)
I like this theory a lot, but if you remember, shortly into chapter 2 you grab the stuff from the old classroom and if you go down the hallway you run into Toriel talking to Alphys and then you can go up into the dark world where Ralsei is waiting, so unless Toriel pulls a sans move and teleports there before you, it doesn't really work out.
My guess as to the "big person" that could fit in the closet is that it refers to the GIGA Queen mech and the whole closet is the mansion, built around it.
Leffrey 2021 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:36 
You know what I find weird? Why doesn't Ralsei get Kris to seal the castle town fountain? If the fountains pose such a threat to the whole world, why leave the massive fountain in the school behind? And if one fountain is a healthy amount for the balance between light and dark, why not have Berdly make the perfect world and then relocate everyone there instead of castle town? Surely if we can just annihilate Lancer's castle then Ralsei's can go too.
Also, did the knight not create castle town? Given that Ralsei never talks about them, even though he would've met them, it's a bit weird. Also, why is he the only one in castle town? It can't be much older than a day in chapter 1, since nobody had gone to the closet and if that's where the chalk that keeps dissapearing is kept, then somebody would've been there recently to fetch more.
Other than that it's obvious he's a special case, although he isn't necessarily a Lightner all things considered. He says that Lancer and Rouxls turn to stone because the fountain that created them has a desire that is incompatible with that of the library fountain, but Ralsei comes from the Castle Town fountain, rather than the card kingdom fountain, so he might be compatible.
Then again, the fact that he was worried about Lancer coming with you but never worried for himself kinda suggests he wasn't worried about his compatibility with the library fountain, which goes back to the idea of him being a Lightner, together with the glossed over fact that he never worried about turning to stone in the card kingdom. That or the Castle Town fountain is simply compatible with every other fountain.

But for all intents and purposes, I don't actually think he's Asriel. A: that'd be too simple, c'mon, it's Toby Fox we're talking about here
B: Toriel says in chapter one that Asriel will be coming home from colleg in a week (so by the time chapter 7 happens ;) and that means they have some form of communication with him, even if it's not constant
C: As said before, castle town can't be that old, so neither can Ralsei. We know Darkners are created with memories and pasts out of thin air, because the library fountain was created overnight, yet the city has many characters with pasts such as [[Mike]] and many other lines of dialogue.
D: Noelle could instantly recognise Kris and Suzie, despite the change in appearence withing the dark world, but Ralsei merely "reminded her of..." presumably Asriel, not a concrete point but it wouldn't have been odd for her to go "wait is that Asriel?"
E: Ralsei's common thing of never having had friends before and a lacking self identity. Obviously Asriel has a social life in Deltarune.

Now, of course there's many things that make him suspicious and could indicate that he is actually Asriel, such as the oddly specific knowledge he has of Kris and they way the fountains work (something not universal to rulers of dark worlds) and obviously the massive resemblance to him, but again, it feels a bit too lame and obvious if he were to actually be Asriel and most of these could be explained one way or another within the next 5 chapters, given how much chapter 2 alone expanded the whole idea of how everything works. There's a LOT to speculate here, so it's hard to make a proper prediction
MBcodes18 2021 年 10 月 31 日 上午 11:39 
引用自 Leffrey
You know what I find weird? Why doesn't Ralsei get Kris to seal the castle town fountain? If the fountains pose such a threat to the whole world, why leave the massive fountain in the school behind? And if one fountain is a healthy amount for the balance between light and dark, why not have Berdly make the perfect world and then relocate everyone there instead of castle town? Surely if we can just annihilate Lancer's castle then Ralsei's can go too.
Also, did the knight not create castle town? Given that Ralsei never talks about them, even though he would've met them, it's a bit weird. Also, why is he the only one in castle town? It can't be much older than a day in chapter 1, since nobody had gone to the closet and if that's where the chalk that keeps dissapearing is kept, then somebody would've been there recently to fetch more.
Other than that it's obvious he's a special case, although he isn't necessarily a Lightner all things considered. He says that Lancer and Rouxls turn to stone because the fountain that created them has a desire that is incompatible with that of the library fountain, but Ralsei comes from the Castle Town fountain, rather than the card kingdom fountain, so he might be compatible.
Then again, the fact that he was worried about Lancer coming with you but never worried for himself kinda suggests he wasn't worried about his compatibility with the library fountain, which goes back to the idea of him being a Lightner, together with the glossed over fact that he never worried about turning to stone in the card kingdom. That or the Castle Town fountain is simply compatible with every other fountain.

But for all intents and purposes, I don't actually think he's Asriel. A: that'd be too simple, c'mon, it's Toby Fox we're talking about here
B: Toriel says in chapter one that Asriel will be coming home from colleg in a week (so by the time chapter 7 happens ;) and that means they have some form of communication with him, even if it's not constant
C: As said before, castle town can't be that old, so neither can Ralsei. We know Darkners are created with memories and pasts out of thin air, because the library fountain was created overnight, yet the city has many characters with pasts such as [[Mike]] and many other lines of dialogue.
D: Noelle could instantly recognise Kris and Suzie, despite the change in appearence withing the dark world, but Ralsei merely "reminded her of..." presumably Asriel, not a concrete point but it wouldn't have been odd for her to go "wait is that Asriel?"
E: Ralsei's common thing of never having had friends before and a lacking self identity. Obviously Asriel has a social life in Deltarune.

Now, of course there's many things that make him suspicious and could indicate that he is actually Asriel, such as the oddly specific knowledge he has of Kris and they way the fountains work (something not universal to rulers of dark worlds) and obviously the massive resemblance to him, but again, it feels a bit too lame and obvious if he were to actually be Asriel and most of these could be explained one way or another within the next 5 chapters, given how much chapter 2 alone expanded the whole idea of how everything works. There's a LOT to speculate here, so it's hard to make a proper prediction

Various things to talk about here, im only going to put the 2 that i feel like i can contribute the most to.
1: NOBODY talks about this but HOW DOES STAR WALKER NOT TURN TO STONE?
2: Kris might be making a dark world in his house so that they DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE FRIGGIN JANITOR BEING STUCK IN THE DARK WORD
MBcodes18 2021 年 10 月 31 日 上午 11:42 
Considering they are all dark worlds, why are the leaders so different?
The first one is nice and has a ton of fountain knowledge and light world knowledge.
The second one is evil by nature, and has a decent amount of fountain knowledge, and about light world knowledge, we dont really know.
The third one is decent in kindness but gets manipulated by the knight, and has nearly no knowledge outside of the dark world, like the only line i remember that says otherwise is their first line, even then they could know from noelle.
Serathis 2021 年 10 月 31 日 下午 2:57 
imo, Ralsie is... how do kids these days put it. Sus.

So, according to him Ralsie have never met anyone and never left his dark world before Kris and Susie fell in. Yet:

-He knows their names
-He knows the layout of the school. In chapter 2 he specifically asks you to go to the next room and fetch all the cards and boardgames and bring them over.
-He just shows up in the Cyber World?
-He very much on purpose takes your attention away, so he has some alone time with Kris. In the prison and in the ferris wheel segment. When the POV goes back, he and Kris have been discussing things.

IMO, Kris and him met before we showed up, he has been instructing Kris how to open fountains. After all, the first save point is not blank. It has Kris's name.
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 2021 年 10 月 31 日 下午 3:16 
引用自 Serathis
... he has been instructing Kris how to open fountains. ...
This is pretty much the only part of your post that I'm skeptical of.


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