So am i the only one that noticed Ralsei is clearly hiding something?

[DearestRook25]

First off, how did he get to the library? All the other darkeners need the help of lighteners to travel between the dark worlds (example: Lancer and stupid puzzle man who go into your pocket) but Ralsei just kind of shows up at the cyber world with no apparent explanation.

A weird thing that is pointed out when you examine the small closet inside the library computer room is how someone could fit in there. That does seem out of nowhere but if you remember the locked door inside of the school room that chapter 1 takes place inside of the game may be hinting at the fact someone was in hiding while Kris and Susie adventure into the dark worlds.

While Lancer and annoying dumb puzzle man turn into statues inside of the library dark world Ralsei does not. Why is that? This is either a dumb plot flaw that wasnt explained or a clue that Ralsei may not be who he says he is. He does after all know what Kris's room looks like and has a clear resemblance to Asriel from Undertale. My personal theory is that Ralsei is actually a disguised Asriel that is somehow following you into the dark worlds and going into adventures with the other protagonists with the objective of wiping out all the dark fountains.

If you dont like my theory remember just a theory a game theory thanks for watching i mean reading

[fushigi friend]

I've also noticed some strange things regarding Ralsei's prophecy.

It specifically states that when the balance of light and dark is broken, the Earth will take her final breath. "ONLY THEN," will three heroes appear at world's edge, a human, a monster, and a prince from the dark. Only they can seal the fountains and banish the angel's heaven, and the world saved from destruction.

First of all, the three heroes have appeared far before the world's end. The destruction of earth seems like something that will happen if too many fountains are made and/or remain for too long.

Second of all, the prophecy is very vague about the first two heroes and very specific about the third. Any member of a specific species, any member of another specific species... and a prince from the dark?

Third of all, only Kris has been sealing these fountains. Susie and Ralsei have certainly helped them along with the journey, they're all a part of the same team. But when it comes to the actual fountain sealing, it's specifically Kris that does so.

Fourth of all, what the ♥♥♥♥ is "the angel's heaven?"

Now, I'm not saying that these inconsistencies inherently mean ralsei is intentionally hiding something. It could be that ralsei simply does not know the entire prophecy, or that the prophecy has inaccuracies, or that Toby just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a bit, or a combination of these.

Also, for the sake of shipping, I really hope Ralsei doesn't have any sort of relation to Asriel.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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I've also noticed some strange things regarding Ralsei's prophecy.

It specifically states that when the balance of light and dark is broken, the Earth will take her final breath. "ONLY THEN," will three heroes appear at world's edge, a human, a monster, and a prince from the dark. Only they can seal the fountains and banish the angel's heaven, and the world saved from destruction.

First of all, the three heroes have appeared far before the world's end. The destruction of earth seems like something that will happen if too many fountains are made and/or remain for too long.

Second of all, the prophecy is very vague about the first two heroes and very specific about the third. Any member of a specific species, any member of another specific species... and a prince from the dark?

Third of all, only Kris has been sealing these fountains. Susie and Ralsei have certainly helped them along with the journey, they're all a part of the same team. But when it comes to the actual fountain sealing, it's specifically Kris that does so.

Fourth of all, what the ♥♥♥♥ is "the angel's heaven?"

Now, I'm not saying that these inconsistencies inherently mean ralsei is intentionally hiding something. It could be that ralsei simply does not know the entire prophecy, or that the prophecy has inaccuracies, or that Toby just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a bit, or a combination of these.

Also, for the sake of shipping, I really hope Ralsei doesn't have any sort of relation to Asriel.

I think what’s going on is that the world of Deltarune itself is a larger scale dark world being observed by Gaster and other “higher beings”. Ralsei is a mediator created by those beings that knows this and is trying to keep their experiment going.

If too many dark fountains open up, these observers will have to abandon the world as they will no longer have any control of it, and possibly destroy it. They are the “Titans” in the prophecy.

The Angel’s Heaven refers to someone trying to recreate the world of deltarune as they see fit.

The Legend is based on a game Asriel made up with Kris and their friends long ago, and it happens to share some parallels with the reality of what is going on. Ralsei is basically is just using this story to keep the truth hidden. Ralsei himself has taken the form of Asriel’s character from the game.

The Knight is the original monster from Asriel’s game, as Susie was not around then. Who’s identity is likely Noelle’s deceased sister, December, who is using the roaring so she can restore her physical body.

December was accidentally killed by Noelle when the group went into the woods to act out the final battle with the Angel. If you’ve seen or played the Snowgrave route, you have an idea as to what happened. Noelle has no memory of the event as she blacked it out of her mind due to the emotional trauma. This is why having to spell December causes her to have a panic attack.

December has now returned as a spirit of determination (similar to Chara in Undertale) and is possessing Kris to create more dark fountains. Meanwhile she still retains the physical body of her old knight character in the Dark World.

[Spartan Delta 27]

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It would be interesting for sure but we already know this isn’t the case. We learn by inspecting the angel in Rudy’s room in the hospital that Kris and Asriel also tried to make an angel together, but spent too much time making big wings for it. And at the diner we learn that even after their parents divorced, Asriel would continue to take Kris there and buy him hot chocolate, and they would make breath fog faces in the window. In Queen’s room made for Kris, there’s also a calendar with the days of college vacation circled based on Kris searching when college vacations were.

This all indicates that Asriel is nice to Kris and that Kris misses him deeply.

Well, I am convinced. Seeing him as a jerk would indeed be very depressing and I sort of just expected it because it would subvert our expectations in an emotionally catastrophic way.

Either way, I am glad that there are good little stories around Town that show he did in fact care.

[The Vulpan]

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It would be interesting for sure but we already know this isn’t the case. We learn by inspecting the angel in Rudy’s room in the hospital that Kris and Asriel also tried to make an angel together, but spent too much time making big wings for it. And at the diner we learn that even after their parents divorced, Asriel would continue to take Kris there and buy him hot chocolate, and they would make breath fog faces in the window. In Queen’s room made for Kris, there’s also a calendar with the days of college vacation circled based on Kris searching when college vacations were.

This all indicates that Asriel is nice to Kris and that Kris misses him deeply.

Well, I am convinced. Seeing him as a jerk would indeed be very depressing and I sort of just expected it because it would subvert our expectations in an emotionally catastrophic way.

Either way, I am glad that there are good little stories around Town that show he did in fact care.

Yeah, I think there is a secret that Ralsei is keeping. However I don't think it is anything malicious, otherwise alot of people will be burning their Fluffy boi plushies come chapter 7.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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Well, I am convinced. Seeing him as a jerk would indeed be very depressing and I sort of just expected it because it would subvert our expectations in an emotionally catastrophic way.

Either way, I am glad that there are good little stories around Town that show he did in fact care.

Yeah, I think there is a secret that Ralsei is keeping. However I don't think it is anything malicious, otherwise alot of people will be burning their Fluffy boi plushies come chapter 7.

Yeah after chapter 2, strangely I’m less inclined to think Ralsei is evil, even though he’s much more suspicious. That’s mainly because of the introduction of the Titans.

On the other hand, having Asriel come in at the final boss revealing himself as the original Ralsei and taking their spot in the party for that final boss fight would also be cool.

[tech_hutch]

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I've also noticed some strange things regarding Ralsei's prophecy.

It specifically states that when the balance of light and dark is broken, the Earth will take her final breath. "ONLY THEN," will three heroes appear at world's edge, a human, a monster, and a prince from the dark. Only they can seal the fountains and banish the angel's heaven, and the world saved from destruction.

First of all, the three heroes have appeared far before the world's end. The destruction of earth seems like something that will happen if too many fountains are made and/or remain for too long.

Second of all, the prophecy is very vague about the first two heroes and very specific about the third. Any member of a specific species, any member of another specific species... and a prince from the dark?

Third of all, only Kris has been sealing these fountains. Susie and Ralsei have certainly helped them along with the journey, they're all a part of the same team. But when it comes to the actual fountain sealing, it's specifically Kris that does so.

Fourth of all, what the ♥♥♥♥ is "the angel's heaven?"

Now, I'm not saying that these inconsistencies inherently mean ralsei is intentionally hiding something. It could be that ralsei simply does not know the entire prophecy, or that the prophecy has inaccuracies, or that Toby just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a bit, or a combination of these.

Also, for the sake of shipping, I really hope Ralsei doesn't have any sort of relation to Asriel.

I think what’s going on is that the world of Deltarune itself is a larger scale dark world being observed by Gaster and other “higher beings”. Ralsei is a mediator created by those beings that knows this and is trying to keep their experiment going.

If too many dark fountains open up, these observers will have to abandon the world as they will no longer have any control of it, and possibly destroy it. They are the “Titans” in the prophecy.

The Angel’s Heaven refers to someone trying to recreate the world of deltarune as they see fit.

The Legend is based on a game Asriel made up with Kris and their friends long ago, and it happens to share some parallels with the reality of what is going on. Ralsei is basically is just using this story to keep the truth hidden. Ralsei himself has taken the form of Asriel’s character from the game.

The Knight is the original monster from Asriel’s game, as Susie was not around then. Who’s identity is likely Noelle’s deceased sister, December, who is using the roaring so she can restore her physical body.

December was accidentally killed by Noelle when the group went into the woods to act out the final battle with the Angel. If you’ve seen or played the Snowgrave route, you have an idea as to what happened. Noelle has no memory of the event as she blacked it out of her mind due to the emotional trauma. This is why having to spell December causes her to have a panic attack.

December has now returned as a spirit of determination (similar to Chara in Undertale) and is possessing Kris to create more dark fountains. Meanwhile she still retains the physical body of her old knight character in the Dark World.

Is Noelle's sister's name confirmed to be December? I think I remember it being "Dess", so it could just be shortened most of the time, I suppose.

Also, she's dead?? I must have missed whenever that was mentioned.

[Spartan Delta 27]

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On the other hand, having Asriel come in at the final boss revealing himself as the original Ralsei and taking their spot in the party for that final boss fight would also be cool.

I think that will probably happen. Many Theories have suggested that RALSEI was just a Character that Asriel made for that kind of Game, which would make it very easy for him to join in once he actually gets to Town.

About a Century from now, when Chapter 7 is released.

[tech_hutch]

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On the other hand, having Asriel come in at the final boss revealing himself as the original Ralsei and taking their spot in the party for that final boss fight would also be cool.

I think that will probably happen. Many Theories have suggested that RALSEI was just a Character that Asriel made for that kind of Game, which would make it very easy for him to join in once he actually gets to Town.

About a Century from now, when Chapter 7 is released.

If Ralsei turns out to be Asriel, then uh...it's pretty weird that there are romantic overtones between him and Kris.

[Spartan Delta 27]

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If Ralsei turns out to be Asriel, then uh...it's pretty weird that there are romantic overtones between him and Kris.

I never got that impression, but I still have to play the Game. Mostly I have just been doing research into "deltarune" on the side.

Although, I did see a short video where someone tried equipping the "Snow Ring" on RALSEI and that made him say "Are you proposing?..." It seemed more awkward than anything else.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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On the other hand, having Asriel come in at the final boss revealing himself as the original Ralsei and taking their spot in the party for that final boss fight would also be cool.

I think that will probably happen. Many Theories have suggested that RALSEI was just a Character that Asriel made for that kind of Game, which would make it very easy for him to join in once he actually gets to Town.

About a Century from now, when Chapter 7 is released.

I guess alternatively Ralsei could decide their world shouldn’t be controlled anymore and he goes away before the final boss, letting Asriel take his place.

[Toxi]

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I think that will probably happen. Many Theories have suggested that RALSEI was just a Character that Asriel made for that kind of Game, which would make it very easy for him to join in once he actually gets to Town.

About a Century from now, when Chapter 7 is released.

If Ralsei turns out to be Asriel, then uh...it's pretty weird that there are romantic overtones between him and Kris.

yeah, but they're just theories at the end of the day and right now there's seemingly more going on with Ralsei than just that he and Asriel are both goat bois.

[Crazy Nick]

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Is Noelle's sister's name confirmed to be December? I think I remember it being "Dess", so it could just be shortened most of the time, I suppose.

Also, she's dead?? I must have missed whenever that was mentioned.

Dess could be short for December. Noelle also mentioned Azzy, which could be a nickname for Asriel, given the context it was used in. I'm not sure about Dess being confirmed dead, I don't recall seeing a grave in the graveyard for them. Then again, I haven't been looking at the whole Snowgrave route people are on about. So there could be a clue or two I'm missing.

[Unfortunate Klopsi]

Dess is only implied to be dead or in some way lost. And yes, it is likely that Dess is the short form for the name "December", which would make sense, since Noelle had problems to spell "December" in that Berdly/Noelle backstory scene. So maybe she was reminded of her dead/lost sister there. And in another scene Noelle typed "December" by walking over these letter buttons. So this word is in some way very important to her and tbh it would fit to the whole holiday/winter/Christmas naming theme for the Holiday family members very well.

In the fandom wiki page you can find these pieces of info, too.

[Ragdollintothewall]

My pet theory about Ralsei is that your sould and Asriel's are combined somehow and the part of Asriel within you is manifesting as Ralsei

[ExtremelyDecentWill [TTV]]

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Nice theory, but here is something to consider. What if Ralsei is actually Asriel, THE Asriel that supposedly went to college? What if instead of actually going to college he went to the dark world? The appearance of the lighteners is tied to their own personal self image, or in berdly's case, his hobbies. It could be a very real thing that Asriel never wanted to grow up and like some peter pan's hook thing, went to some other world where his appearance would never need to change?

It is interesting. Every single character in the closet world in Chapters 1 and 2 are in some way or another based of a real world object.

...

The list goes on. So far there are only 5 characters that don't fit that pattern. Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Noelle and Berdly. We know for a fact that Kris, Susie, Noelle and Berdly are real world characters.

So what/who is Ralsei?

...

I absolutely love this point, and I've never really considered it before. That being said, I'm not really that big into the theories and such, as I would rather be surprised by what Toby's mind comes up with next... but stuff like this that the rest of the community comes up with does intrigue me.