So am i the only one that noticed Ralsei is clearly hiding something?

[DearestRook25]

First off, how did he get to the library? All the other darkeners need the help of lighteners to travel between the dark worlds (example: Lancer and stupid puzzle man who go into your pocket) but Ralsei just kind of shows up at the cyber world with no apparent explanation.

A weird thing that is pointed out when you examine the small closet inside the library computer room is how someone could fit in there. That does seem out of nowhere but if you remember the locked door inside of the school room that chapter 1 takes place inside of the game may be hinting at the fact someone was in hiding while Kris and Susie adventure into the dark worlds.

While Lancer and annoying dumb puzzle man turn into statues inside of the library dark world Ralsei does not. Why is that? This is either a dumb plot flaw that wasnt explained or a clue that Ralsei may not be who he says he is. He does after all know what Kris's room looks like and has a clear resemblance to Asriel from Undertale. My personal theory is that Ralsei is actually a disguised Asriel that is somehow following you into the dark worlds and going into adventures with the other protagonists with the objective of wiping out all the dark fountains.

If you dont like my theory remember just a theory a game theory thanks for watching i mean reading

[Gespenst Gaming]

Its pretty obvious Ralsei is like, the true villain somehow. You don't really even need to look that deep, everyone except Susie and Kris practically ignore his existence 100%.

Even in Chapter 1 he's largely ignored by everyone.

Ralsei probably isn't Asriel, probably more like some entity that reads Kris's mind or whatever and chose a form that would uhh be least hostile to him, and most able to make Kris do what he wants.

Ralsei could be that voice at the beginning of chapter 1 for Character Creation.

I mean.... did anyone notice the Darkner town is named after the name you gave yourself in chapter 1?

Alot of it could still be Kris's imagination.

It' could all be Kris.

Ralsei could be the heartless Kris, except heartless Kris opens portals to dark worlds and Ralsei seeks to close them... except Kris is also the one closing them.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Ralsei is from the fountain in his kingdom.
Lancer and Rouxls were from the Card Castle fountain.

Ralsei says he can exist in other dark worlds because the fountain that created him is the original. How he gets to the Cyber World and how he knew about it however, is a valid point.

The locked door in the abandoned classroom, presumably goes into the same supply closet Ralsei's castle town is. In Chapter 1 it was the big ornate golden door that split Ralsei's town from the field of hopes and dreams.

[A Minor Inconvenience]

I Believe Ralsei is Kris's memory of Asriel and what he was like this would also explain Ralsei telling you to do your homework

[DearestRook25]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Ralsei is from the fountain in his kingdom.
Lancer and Rouxls were from the Card Castle fountain.

Ralsei says he can exist in other dark worlds because the fountain that created him is the original. How he gets to the Cyber World and how he knew about it however, is a valid point.

The locked door in the abandoned classroom, presumably goes into the same supply closet Ralsei's castle town is. In Chapter 1 it was the big ornate golden door that split Ralsei's town from the field of hopes and dreams.

While i think you are probably right about the supply closet door i think that comment about the closet in the computer room on how someone could fit in there is definitely hinting to something, probably that there is someone who wants to go into the dark worlds while being hidden somehow. Even if Ralsei isnt actually Asriel i think it is likely that he is actually a lightener in some form.

[It's Anne!]

Notice how Ralsei is also the only one in the closet? i feel like maybe ralsei is simply Kris's imaginary character, as though alluding to playing these games with asriel? idk, me think smol

[sirjomb]

There's a part of me wanting to go "what if Ralsei is actually toriel?"

Like, I'm not very good at really pulling out the tiny details to suggest this, but there are the previously mentioned hints like the locked door in the classroom, and it specified a "big" person could've fit in the closet in the computer room. Then when Kris was taking a long time in the bathroom, she told Susie "They do this sometimes" meaning she does have some awareness to Kris's... condition.

Now, I'm not holding onto this idea too seriously, but it would definitely be confirmed or denied in Chapter 3 given Toriel is definitely going to be pulled into the dark world given Kris opened a portal literally in the middle of the room they're all sleeping in. (probably Undyne too since Toriel called the cops)

[Lavodan]

I mean, maybe? At the start of ch1, I definitely suspected that he was gonna be revealed to be a villian, but otherwise the evidence seems kinda wishy-washy

The transportation is definitely the strongest evidence you talk about, and it is quite hard to believe that 3 years of development would miss such an obvious detail, so it's there for a reason, but I'm not sure it means that he is hiding something, or that he is evil, it may very well be, that he used some kind of magic, or that he suspected that something happened and he "belonged" in the light (real world)

I really feel like this is just flavour text, and if it pointed to anything, it would be to someone else being there, not ralsei, as it specifically talks about a big person if you wanna go into details.

I think that this has to do with belonging - Ralsei tells a tale of a human, a monster, and a dark prince going to save the world, its quite possible that this is some kind of prophecy or something, and lancer nor puzzle man fit into it, or they didnt fit in enough (seeing as they did indeed have a purpose (rescuing Susie and Kris and taking revenge on Susie and Kris) but once they fulfilled in, they didnt belong anymore (sorry for spelling errors btw, currently have spellcheck on another language)

[Magero]

I'm deeply convinced that Ralsei is a some sort of mental construct of Kris's imagination of his real-life brother, Asriel.
I suspect a very toxic relationship is going on between them in the real world and Ralsei is just the personnification of the brother he would like to have but doesn't.
Still, even with his mental construct, he can't wash away the manipulative attitude and false smile Ralseis gives and his real-life brother likely has too IRL.

Lot of you already pointed the logical elements of Ralsei being shady but there's also real-life elements that gives away that toxic relationship :
*Everyone praising Asriel and diminishing Kris.
*The console controller smashed when you check out the box/console.
*Just the arrangement of your room compared to the one you have in the Darkworld. Almost like the shady Ralsei wanted to amend for the state of your side of the room in the real world.
*And I'm sure there's others but I can't think of it right now.

We are trying to elaborate some theories about Gaster possession (saw that theory somewhere), shady magic, etc. but the truth could very much more "real" and psychological :

Asriel is the darkworld's incarnation mental construct of your brother, a prince without subjects that follows you between dark worlds, makes friends with everyone and then, bring them in HIS own kingdom.
Others darkners can't live in separate darkworlds BUT, conviently, THEY can LIVE in HIS world (Ralsei's world).

It really points directly toward a toxic relationship where the brother is someone who befriends everyone and isolate his little brother on PURPOSE. Pure sociopathic and egomaniac behavior behind a nice "friendly" fluffy smile that no one could suspect as being so toxic and manipulative.

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by Magero:

I'm deeply convinced that Ralsei is a some sort of mental construct of Kris's imagination of his real-life brother, Asriel.
I suspect a very toxic relationship is going on between them in the real world and Ralsei is just the personnification of the brother he would like to have but doesn't.
Still, even with his mental construct, he can't wash away the manipulative attitude and false smile Ralseis gives and his real-life brother likely has too IRL.

Lot of you already pointed the logical elements of Ralsei being shady but there's also real-life elements that gives away that toxic relationship :
*Everyone praising Asriel and diminishing Kris.
*The console controller smashed when you check out the box/console.
*Just the arrangement of your room compared to the one you have in the Darkworld. Almost like the shady Ralsei wanted to amend for the state of your side of the room in the real world.
*And I'm sure there's others but I can't think of it right now.

We are trying to elaborate some theories about Gaster possession (saw that theory somewhere), shady magic, etc. but the truth could very much more "real" and psychological :

Asriel is the darkworld's incarnation mental construct of your brother, a prince without subjects that follows you between dark worlds, makes friends with everyone and then, bring them in HIS own kingdom.
Others darkners can't live in separate darkworlds BUT, conviently, THEY can LIVE in HIS world (Ralsei's world).

It really points directly toward a toxic relationship where the brother is someone who befriends everyone and isolate his little brother on PURPOSE. Pure sociopathic and egomaniac behavior behind a nice "friendly" fluffy smile that no one could suspect as being so toxic and manipulative.

Nice theory, but here is something to consider. What if Ralsei is actually Asriel, THE Asriel that supposedly went to college? What if instead of actually going to college he went to the dark world? The appearance of the lighteners is tied to their own personal self image, or in berdly's case, his hobbies. It could be a very real thing that Asriel never wanted to grow up and like some peter pan's hook thing, went to some other world where his appearance would never need to change?

[Magero]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

Originally posted by Magero:

I'm deeply convinced that Ralsei is a some sort of mental construct of Kris's imagination of his real-life brother, Asriel.
I suspect a very toxic relationship is going on between them in the real world and Ralsei is just the personnification of the brother he would like to have but doesn't.
Still, even with his mental construct, he can't wash away the manipulative attitude and false smile Ralseis gives and his real-life brother likely has too IRL.

Lot of you already pointed the logical elements of Ralsei being shady but there's also real-life elements that gives away that toxic relationship :
*Everyone praising Asriel and diminishing Kris.
*The console controller smashed when you check out the box/console.
*Just the arrangement of your room compared to the one you have in the Darkworld. Almost like the shady Ralsei wanted to amend for the state of your side of the room in the real world.
*And I'm sure there's others but I can't think of it right now.

We are trying to elaborate some theories about Gaster possession (saw that theory somewhere), shady magic, etc. but the truth could very much more "real" and psychological :

Asriel is the darkworld's incarnation mental construct of your brother, a prince without subjects that follows you between dark worlds, makes friends with everyone and then, bring them in HIS own kingdom.
Others darkners can't live in separate darkworlds BUT, conviently, THEY can LIVE in HIS world (Ralsei's world).

It really points directly toward a toxic relationship where the brother is someone who befriends everyone and isolate his little brother on PURPOSE. Pure sociopathic and egomaniac behavior behind a nice "friendly" fluffy smile that no one could suspect as being so toxic and manipulative.

Nice theory, but here is something to consider. What if Ralsei is actually Asriel, THE Asriel that supposedly went to college? What if instead of actually going to college he went to the dark world? The appearance of the lighteners is tied to their own personal self image, or in berdly's case, his hobbies. It could be a very real thing that Asriel never wanted to grow up and like some peter pan's hook thing, went to some other world where his appearance would never need to change?

Could also be true, nice one.
Peter pan syndrome + sociopathic narcissic egomaniac manipulative behavior = truly a wonderfull villain.

[TJK]

Ralsei is definitely very dismissive of everything that Spamton NEO talks about after you defeat him which is suspect for sure. Like Kris is mentioned to be disturbed by what was discussed and Susie is off too, then Ralsei just says not to worry about it and move on. Could chalk it up to Ralsei just being very positive/ignorant but with everything else about him this chapter I'm doubtful.

[Magikier620]

the

[DearestRook25]

Originally posted by Stonks620:

the

really makes you think

[Lols0827]

The closet is big enough so that kris can hide berdly's body when he absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ dies in the alt ending

[The Vulpan]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

Originally posted by Magero:

I'm deeply convinced that Ralsei is a some sort of mental construct of Kris's imagination of his real-life brother, Asriel.
I suspect a very toxic relationship is going on between them in the real world and Ralsei is just the personnification of the brother he would like to have but doesn't.
Still, even with his mental construct, he can't wash away the manipulative attitude and false smile Ralseis gives and his real-life brother likely has too IRL.

Lot of you already pointed the logical elements of Ralsei being shady but there's also real-life elements that gives away that toxic relationship :
*Everyone praising Asriel and diminishing Kris.
*The console controller smashed when you check out the box/console.
*Just the arrangement of your room compared to the one you have in the Darkworld. Almost like the shady Ralsei wanted to amend for the state of your side of the room in the real world.
*And I'm sure there's others but I can't think of it right now.

We are trying to elaborate some theories about Gaster possession (saw that theory somewhere), shady magic, etc. but the truth could very much more "real" and psychological :

Asriel is the darkworld's incarnation mental construct of your brother, a prince without subjects that follows you between dark worlds, makes friends with everyone and then, bring them in HIS own kingdom.
Others darkners can't live in separate darkworlds BUT, conviently, THEY can LIVE in HIS world (Ralsei's world).

It really points directly toward a toxic relationship where the brother is someone who befriends everyone and isolate his little brother on PURPOSE. Pure sociopathic and egomaniac behavior behind a nice "friendly" fluffy smile that no one could suspect as being so toxic and manipulative.

Nice theory, but here is something to consider. What if Ralsei is actually Asriel, THE Asriel that supposedly went to college? What if instead of actually going to college he went to the dark world? The appearance of the lighteners is tied to their own personal self image, or in berdly's case, his hobbies. It could be a very real thing that Asriel never wanted to grow up and like some peter pan's hook thing, went to some other world where his appearance would never need to change?

It is interesting. Every single character in the closet world in Chapters 1 and 2 are in some way or another based of a real world object.

Lancer, Rouxls Kaard, The King of spades, etc.. are based on Playing Cards.
There are many enemies and enviroments based on Cards and Chess.
Seam is a stuffed toy.
Sweet, Cap'n and K_K are based on audio equipment.
Queen is a computer.

The list goes on. So far there are only 5 characters that don't fit that pattern. Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Noelle and Berdly. We know for a fact that Kris, Susie, Noelle and Berdly are real world characters.

So what/who is Ralsei?

An imaginary friend based on Kris' memories of Asriel? I'm not so sure as everyone seems to be aware of Ralsei most times. However its the only credible theory right now. Another point to bring up is that we don't get to see what ralsei looks like until the end of the first chapter, so it would be weird to base an imaginary friend on someone else but hide their identity for that long.

As for Ralsei actually is Asriel. I don't think that is the case. I am pretty sure that he is at college, because of the number of trophies and awards in his room. Asriel is an Overachiever, I dont think he would skip college for something like this, but it is a possibility. But that brings up the question on if Asriel is aware of this, seeing how he is never physically there in any of the chapters, where other characters (Kris, Susie, Noelle and Berdly) clearly are.