i don't like the whole "Deltarune takes place in a timeloop" theory.

[ADreamOfSpring]

i just can't see Toby doing another game about timeloops. because Undertale was a game ALL about that. and DR has it pretty set in stone that its metanarrative will be about the relationship between you and Kris, and what it means to be the protagonist of a video game. adding in the same thing from Undertale would be repetitive and messy. especially since Toby wants Deltarune to be seen as its own thing, separate from Undertale, so doing that would kind of defeat the purpose of that goal.

[Susen]

then ignore it, the only dude saying this is some nutjob so crazy he think's Kris killed Asriel then convinced the entire town and more importantly Toriel that he's actually at collage

[ADreamOfSpring]

Автор сообщения: Susen

then ignore it, the only dude saying this is some nutjob so crazy he think's Kris killed Asriel then convinced the entire town and more importantly Toriel that he's actually at collage

oh wait THAT guy invented it? i thought it was just something Kris-Knight truthers threw around to justify why Kris is so meticulous about everything they do. i genuinely didn't know that lmao

[WheatlyQuirrel]

To add on to this, I don't like the theories about W.D Gaster being important to Deltarune. Hell, I don't even like Gaster! He does not matter and I don't get why people think he does.

Sorry I needed to get that off my chest.

[Susen]

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

To add on to this, I don't like the theories about W.D Gaster being important to Deltarune. Hell, I don't even like Gaster! He does not matter and I don't get why people think he does.

Sorry I needed to get that off my chest.

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

[ADreamOfSpring]

Автор сообщения: Susen

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

To add on to this, I don't like the theories about W.D Gaster being important to Deltarune. Hell, I don't even like Gaster! He does not matter and I don't get why people think he does.

Sorry I needed to get that off my chest.

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

tbf it could be some other character entirely. everyone just thinks (myself included) that it's Gaster because he's mysterious, a scientist, and speaks in all caps.

[Susen]

Автор сообщения: ADreamOfSpring

Автор сообщения: Susen

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

tbf it could be some other character entirely. everyone just thinks (myself included) that it's Gaster because he's mysterious, a scientist, and speaks in all caps.

not just that, his manner of speaking and alot of the words he uses are the same as well

[WheatlyQuirrel]

Автор сообщения: Susen

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

To add on to this, I don't like the theories about W.D Gaster being important to Deltarune. Hell, I don't even like Gaster! He does not matter and I don't get why people think he does.

Sorry I needed to get that off my chest.

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

It's not Gaster, theorists have just had their brains rotted from thinking Gaster matters. Now Gaster could be important. Theirs always a chance. BUT, I would bet money on Gaster not mattering.

[Buzzy]

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

Автор сообщения: Susen

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

It's not Gaster, theorists have just had their brains rotted from thinking Gaster matters. Now Gaster could be important. Theirs always a chance. BUT, I would bet money on Gaster not mattering.

Actually we think its gaster as The Speaking Pattern thing Yes But We looked in the files and found striking simularities and the song another him related to gasters theme there is just too much evdience and nothing debunking it excecpt for "We Dont REALLY know."

[Buzzy]

And The game Could still be a timeloop i'd just imagine its not that kris or anyone knows about it i dont really know or care!

[KrazyProto]

"...since Toby wants Deltarune to be seen as its own thing, separate from Undertale, so doing that would kind of defeat the purpose of that goal." well another thing that defeats that purpose is porting over a good chunk of the undertale characters but... well you can see for yourself.

[ADreamOfSpring]

Автор сообщения: KrazyProto

"...since Toby wants Deltarune to be seen as its own thing, separate from Undertale, so doing that would kind of defeat the purpose of that goal." well another thing that defeats that purpose is porting over a good chunk of the undertale characters but... well you can see for yourself.

the returning characters from Undertale take a pretty sizable backseat from the majority of Deltarune. sure, chapter 3 might focus on Toriel and her relationship with Kris, but that's 1 chapter out of 7. ~14% of the total experience.

i'm not saying Deltarune is a completely new, separate IP from Undertale, because that's not true. i'm saying that Deltarune is a new game, with a new story, new themes, and new characters, that just so happens to have some connective tissue with the story that came before it.

take the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. sure, the Hobbit is a story that takes place before the initial LOTR trilogy, and has some connective tissue with it, but it's not the prequel to LOTR. that's mainly due to the fact that Tolkien didn't really have LOTR fully ironed out yet, BUT, it's also because it has a completely different vibe compared to LOTR. whereas LOTR takes itself more seriously, the Hobbit is basically a bunch of fun fairy tales you'd tell to your kid before they went to bed.

basically, you do not need to have read the Hobbit to understand LOTR. and you don't need to have read LOTR to understand the Hobbit. they're two separate things that happen to have some connection to each other, but not really to the point where it's imperative that you read/watch one before the other.

yes, Deltarune has connective tissue with Undertale, it has returning characters, it has some concepts that return from Undertale. however, you don't need to have played Undertale to understand Deltarune, and vice versa.

so no, i don't think adding returning characters defeats the purpose of it being seen as its own thing.

[THERAPY_CAT]

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

Автор сообщения: Susen

isn't it Gaster who runs us through character creator tho, makes sense people would think he's important when he's the first character we meet

It's not Gaster, theorists have just had their brains rotted from thinking Gaster matters. Now Gaster could be important. Theirs always a chance. BUT, I would bet money on Gaster not mattering.

I feel like you gotta understand just how involved gaster actually IS with this game

from the mysterious person reaching out to all of the secret bosses, the man behind the tree, the phone at the start of chapter 1, and all the ties between the dark world and entry 17l; you gotta be on some serious copium to not think he's relevant

gaster is also generally (INTENTIONALLY) tied to being unused, which is something deltarune's definitely planning to play with from the looks of spamton sweepstakes and dess

TLDR; toby has basically handed you a paper saying "gaster is involved" and you're still finding ways to say it's not him

[Supa Ninja]

Автор сообщения: MIlkBee

Автор сообщения: WheatlyQuirrel

It's not Gaster, theorists have just had their brains rotted from thinking Gaster matters. Now Gaster could be important. Theirs always a chance. BUT, I would bet money on Gaster not mattering.

I feel like you gotta understand just how involved gaster actually IS with this game

from the mysterious person reaching out to all of the secret bosses, the man behind the tree, the phone at the start of chapter 1, and all the ties between the dark world and entry 17l; you gotta be on some serious copium to not think he's relevant

gaster is also generally (INTENTIONALLY) tied to being unused, which is something deltarune's definitely planning to play with from the looks of spamton sweepstakes and dess

TLDR; toby has basically handed you a paper saying "gaster is involved" and you're still finding ways to say it's not him

Don't know why this wasn't the immediate reply to that guy's first comment. No offence to them, but... like... HOW do you look at all of the evidence and say "Gaster doesn't matter" as a 100% definitive statement? Something is up, and idk how much of the important information will be left in the dark for us to find once the game is over, but there's DEFINITELY gonna be a payoff with the Shadow Crystals and hidden bosses.

[karabennett0116]

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[Supa Ninja]

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Sorry, my bad! The Annoying Dog is, of course, the Knight, and he obviously killed Gaster like a thousand years ago. Idk how I missed that- please spare me.