"Kris" Save File overwrite explained! [CH2 Spoilers!]

[pepe]

You know how when at the beggining you overloadd a save that seems to had belonged to Kris? I think i know why that's the case

1. The people around town mention Kris acting a bit weird/different.
2. "Your Choices Don't Matter" is something major being tossed around during the game.
3. The times that Kris acts on his own, without our input.

I like to believe that all of this is mentioning how we, the players, took control of Kris and sapped him of his control, which is why the townpeople mention he's acting weird.
Remember goner kid's "Have you imagined a world where everything's the same, except you don't exist? Everything functions perfectly without you."? That's what i'm drawing a parallel of.

Kris was living a normal life up until the player took control of him. And the soul isn't Kris' soul, but rather something that we the player use to control Kris.

This could further be proven

edit : i accidentally clicked to post but i was going to write more, so here it is


This could be further proven by how Kris acted on his own again in chapter 2. He wants to take control and wished stuff in the dark world was real, so he intentionally cut the tires on Toriel's car and made a fountain for that exact purpose. He is trying to make a choice.

[Spartan Delta 27]

Originally posted by lowercase letters:

Kris was living a normal life up until the player took control of him. And the soul isn't Kris' soul, but rather something that we the player use to control Kris.

I agree with this completely. Although, calling Kris' Life "Normal" might be sugarcoating it a bit. Not for me to tell people how to live but... Kris, stop being a jerk.


Anyhow, yes. I think that Kris is acting very strangely compared to normal while under our Control. Folks around Town and even "Lightners" in the Dark World comment on it occasionally I think. Whether for good or bad, we are very much overwriting Kris' own Will and using them as a Puppet essentially. Kris seems to resent this control and I honestly do not blame them, having someone randomly take over your entire life is extremely disconcerting... To put it mildly.

[pepe]

Originally posted by Spartan Delta 27:

Originally posted by lowercase letters:

Kris was living a normal life up until the player took control of him. And the soul isn't Kris' soul, but rather something that we the player use to control Kris.

I agree with this completely. Although, calling Kris' Life "Normal" might be sugarcoating it a bit. Not for me to tell people how to live but... Kris, stop being a jerk.


Anyhow, yes. I think that Kris is acting very strangely compared to normal while under our Control. Folks around Town and even "Lightners" in the Dark World comment on it occasionally I think. Whether for good or bad, we are very much overwriting Kris' own Will and using them as a Puppet essentially. Kris seems to resent this control and I honestly do not blame them, having someone randomly take over your entire life is extremely disconcerting... To put it mildly.

True, i agree.


Something brought up in (SwankyBox's new theory)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtpuDixXR8] is that Ralsei will betray us, he knows too much about things and his behaviour can be weird, but it's better explained in 12 minutes of video rather than a text summary here.
What people had thought in the comments was that Ralsei was going to betray the Player, not Kris. Like making up a plan to have the 3 characters (Kris, Susie and Ralsei) fight against YOU, the player rather than Ralsei having whatever evil scheme he plans, to break Kris free from what he sees as this "mysterious entity"'s control.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I do believe that Ralsei will be a twist villain. Even without his suspicious behavior and knowledge, there are two big hints in chapter 1.

After designing the thrash machine, Lancer asks us and Ralsei if we’re evil. And Ralsei replies, “Nah, I guess we just have a knack for it.” Which shares the same energy as Flowey calling himself “the Prince of this world’s future”.

King’s line of “To my people I’m a hero, but to you I’m the bad guy.” definitely feels like foreshadowing. Also the three kings the Knight imprisoned, are still imprisoned in the bad guy room of Ralsei’s castle. Which hints the Knight may have had good reason to imprison them.

I also however think there will be a less malicious reason for why Ralsei is the antagonist. I think he just wants to have his own goals and personality. The consequence of him getting that however just happens to cause the end of deltarune’s world.

[Asra]

That's way too obvious now. No way Toby will do that.

[pepe]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I do believe that Ralsei will be a twist villain. Even without his suspicious behavior and knowledge, there are two big hints in chapter 1.

After designing the thrash machine, Lancer asks us and Ralsei if we’re evil. And Ralsei replies, “Nah, I guess we just have a knack for it.” Which shares the same energy as Flowey calling himself “the Prince of this world’s future”.

King’s line of “To my people I’m a hero, but to you I’m the bad guy.” definitely feels like foreshadowing. Also the three kings the Knight imprisoned, are still imprisoned in the bad guy room of Ralsei’s castle. Which hints the Knight may have had good reason to imprison them.

I also however think there will be a less malicious reason for why Ralsei is the antagonist. I think he just wants to have his own goals and personality. The consequence of him getting that however just happens to cause the end of deltarune’s world.

I feel like he will be an antagonist that does the wrong thing for the right reason, or the opposite.

[pepe]

Originally posted by Asra:

That's way too obvious now. No way Toby will do that.

Oh oh! In a few years we will see if Toby does that or not.

[Ataxio]

Toby Fox wont be so uncreative and shallow to allow Ralsie to be a "villain" per se. If he does I will lose a lot of respect for his creative writing. On the surface I can see how one might think this, but there is significantly more to him that would lead you to think otherwise. Is he withholding info? Yes. Evil? No.

TLDR: Ralsei is best goat.

[kanna]

I see i'm not the only one who thinks Kris might be the Knight. I figured others would have put 2+2 together with how Queen was asking Noelle to make a fountain and the "weirdness" of Kris' overall behaviour. Also, I've heard that time gets added to your save file between chapter 1 and chapter 2? I didn't notice (except that the number of hours played was a lot higher than I thought for each individual save).

I've seen people predicting this on Youtube but the thing is, why should Ralsei have to be a villain just like Flowey? Wouldn't that be kind of repetitive? At first I thought maybe the creation of Ralsei was part of the creation of the dark fountain by Kris, but now I think maybe Ralsei is just Kris' good side. Wouldn't it make sense for Kris' conscience to take that form? And wouldn't it make sense if Kris actually does know a thing or two about dark fountains for his conscience to know about them too?

Just wonder what folks think of this or if someone's already disproved these ideas somehow.

[Aegis270]

I'm much more satisfied with the theory that Ralsei is something borne out of Kris's desire to fit in.

From what we know of Kris, he's considered the weird kid in town. The only human. Not really accepted by his peers, and actively shunned by some of his classmates.

We know he idolized Asriel, and that he was constantly trying to be part of his group, but never really made it in. He was constantly overshadowed by his older brother, so he never really had a chance to stand out.

If this desire of his would be made manifest, wouldn't it look just like Ralsei? Someone desperate to belong to a group, trying to create adventures to keep them together and terrified of anything happening that could break them up?

Someone who, while they look like Asriel, is much closer in age to Kris. Because of course Kris would pattern his idealized version of himself from his much more successful and popular brother. Right down to the name.

Here's a good bit of evidence, Toriel mentions that Kris once asked when his horns would grow in, and she got him a red headband with horns on it that Kris wore religiously for quite some time. Ralsei has red horns too. I'd put good money down that the item that represents Ralsei in the real world is that headband.

[Spartan Delta 27]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

TLDR: Ralsei is best goat.

Wait, that's illegal.

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Toby Fox wont be so uncreative and shallow to allow Ralsie to be a "villain" per se. If he does I will lose a lot of respect for his creative writing. On the surface I can see how one might think this, but there is significantly more to him that would lead you to think otherwise. Is he withholding info? Yes. Evil? No.

In all seriousness though, I think RALSEI might be getting set up as a Twist Villain for towards the end of the Story... My guess being probably Chapter 5, since it breaks up the Story a bit and establishes tension for the final two Chapters. He does not necessarily have to be "Evil", but he could very easily have selfish goals that counter the well-being of his "Subjects" and possibly his Friends made along the way.

That said, it does seem to be a somewhat popular opinion that RALSEI could be trouble... It would not be beyond reason for him to just be a somewhat flawed Character/Person like everyone else and be acting strangely just out of sheer awkwardness.

So, you could be right.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by lowercase letters:

Originally posted by Spartan Delta 27:

I agree with this completely. Although, calling Kris' Life "Normal" might be sugarcoating it a bit. Not for me to tell people how to live but... Kris, stop being a jerk.


Anyhow, yes. I think that Kris is acting very strangely compared to normal while under our Control. Folks around Town and even "Lightners" in the Dark World comment on it occasionally I think. Whether for good or bad, we are very much overwriting Kris' own Will and using them as a Puppet essentially. Kris seems to resent this control and I honestly do not blame them, having someone randomly take over your entire life is extremely disconcerting... To put it mildly.

True, i agree.


Something brought up in (SwankyBox's new theory)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtpuDixXR8] is that Ralsei will betray us, he knows too much about things and his behaviour can be weird, but it's better explained in 12 minutes of video rather than a text summary here.
What people had thought in the comments was that Ralsei was going to betray the Player, not Kris. Like making up a plan to have the 3 characters (Kris, Susie and Ralsei) fight against YOU, the player rather than Ralsei having whatever evil scheme he plans, to break Kris free from what he sees as this "mysterious entity"'s control.

i liek when i made a post that said LITERALLY THIS in the swanmky viodeo ( I swear, he needs to sotp mining my mind for ideas )
ppl just said I was crazy, you can check the post here. i made it on day TWO lol

[pepe]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by lowercase letters:

True, i agree.


Something brought up in (SwankyBox's new theory)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtpuDixXR8] is that Ralsei will betray us, he knows too much about things and his behaviour can be weird, but it's better explained in 12 minutes of video rather than a text summary here.
What people had thought in the comments was that Ralsei was going to betray the Player, not Kris. Like making up a plan to have the 3 characters (Kris, Susie and Ralsei) fight against YOU, the player rather than Ralsei having whatever evil scheme he plans, to break Kris free from what he sees as this "mysterious entity"'s control.

i liek when i made a post that said LITERALLY THIS in the swanmky viodeo ( I swear, he needs to sotp mining my mind for ideas )
ppl just said I was crazy, you can check the post here. i made it on day TWO lol

lol nice

[Ataxio]

Purple guy is the knight, 99.99% certain at this point. Might even be susies father :]

Kris being the knight is a massive red herring.

[S.Cloud]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Purple guy is the knight, 99.99% certain at this point. Might even be susies father :]

Kris being the knight is a massive red herring.

Purple Guy?

[Ataxio]

Poke around town some more..

Find the guy that "dosent even work here"