DELTARUNE

DELTARUNE

Darano 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 3:18
Why Spamton?
To this moment it boggles me, what was it about Spamton that brought him the attention of our dear old Gaster? He's not like Jevil, he's not a rather strong being just by himself, that's why he needs the body of NEO. If we assume that this "Mike" is a different entity from Gaster, and that Mike is the one who made puppet man so succesful, before dropping him.. that just wouldn't explain why he, out of probably every single other failed salesman, Mike themselves even, and just everyone, would recieve that call.

Giving it to pure chance would be silly. There must've been something, that made him attractive. There are only 3 things I can think of:
  • The connection to whoever Mike is, something Spamton knew about him
  • His knowledge of the NEO body resting in Queen's basement
  • The fact he has the Thorn Ring in his possesion, somehow for some reason
I just don't see anything else making him special. Or maybe I'm missing something about him? Maybe it is just chance, that his career failed around the time the mystery man himself, started looking for tools/followers.
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Knud den Store 🧙‍♂ 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 10:39 
What lies ahead is my stupid fan theory.

Deltarune is a power struggle between Chara / The Player and Frisk and Chara is now deeply weakened. Gaster is manipulating certain events to defeat Chara and minions like Jevil and Spamton and others are the tools of Gaster's will.

There are trails that make character's like Jevil and Spamton special, especially to someone like Gaster. Gaster manipulated Jevil by making him aware of the world and the reality he lived on, the madness made him a dangerous foe, and unlike other foes of chapter 1, Jevil was made powerful and was Determined to kill the party, there was no way to spare him outside of the use of hypnosis to tire him out.

Spamton on the other hand was Determined to be a big shot and desperate enough to follow someone as shady as Gaster, I believe that in order to be contacted by Gastler there is a need for a certain degree of madness, curiosity or desperation in the individual but most importantly DETERMINATION.

This is why Gastler only appears to the player after entering and re-entering certain rooms, this is both madness but also a display of determination to some extent.

I believe that Kris is the amalgamation of Chara, Frisk and the Player. After the events of Undertale, Chara lived as Kris for years but somehow became too weak to control Frisk soul and Chapter 1 is the return of both Frisk and the Player, in this state Chara is very limited and can only do as he pleases after removing Frisk soul but this results in a near death experience every time, reason why Kris movements are so awkward and dull.

I believe that Gaster might either be the cause or knows why Chara has grown so weak and perhaps he is afraid of his creation. Characters like Jevil and Spamton used to be good according to the people who knew them but turned dark, just like how Chara went from a child to a dark demigod.

Jevil and Spamton purpose is to defeat the player and Spamton was awfully close in any route he is fought. Kris shows fear or helplessness whenever Spamton is fought. Without either friends or a controlled Noelle, Kris most likely would had perished and lost Frisk's soul, so Gaster is definitively on the correct route.

What is interesting about Chara and Gaster is that both are really good at manipulation. Both of them use the player's curiosity against them, Chara coercing the player into the evil routes by just allowing the player to explore while Gaster seeds the idea that the player should look for a challenge even when it has been totally unnecessary.
Toxi 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 10:58 
引用自 Darano the Dragon
To this moment it boggles me, what was it about Spamton that brought him the attention of our dear old Gaster? He's not like Jevil, he's not a rather strong being just by himself, that's why he needs the body of NEO.
I think this is kind of a mistake in deductive reasoning, thinking that someone Has to be Strong to be coerced into doing something bad, or something that makes them snap.

Simple.

Spamton was desperate.
this explanation is a good point to consider.

Or maybe, it could be that Spamton being desperate was simply a coincidence and Gaster was looking for someone who was willing to lend an ear?

There could be another explanation too, both Jevil and Spamton could have been the only ones that Gaster could come into contact with.
最後修改者:Toxi; 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 11:01
Toxi 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 11:17 
To me, Jevil and Spamton look like two personalities reacting in different ways to the same knowledge that was told to them. Jevil accepted it and started seeing the dark world as a prison, where as Spamton was trying to run away from it and was seeing darkness all around him.
最後修改者:Toxi; 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 11:18
Darano 2021 年 9 月 24 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 Crazy Nick
With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

That's.. actually a rather tangible theory, yea. Given the way [Hyperlink Blocked] is used in the few instances he says that, it just might sound like he's refering to it. Either Determination or LOVE, which is a bit more questionable, and only based on the line about "You and Noelle making [Hyperlink Blocked]". Just would make sense, given all the murder you have to do, to even get there.

But it is most likely Determination if anything. It fits just too well with majority of the lines.

"[...]BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT, DON'T WE!? W1LD PR1ZES, HOTSINGLE, 100 CUSTOMER, AND MOST OF ALL... [Hyperlink Blocked]" - If Spamton is speaking directly to Kris, then it would makee sense that the both of them would want Determination especially bad. Spamton wants to call his own deals and shots, and Kris wants to be independent from the Player, be it a good or bad thing.

"[...]NOW KRIS. DON'T BE GREEDY. HAND OVER. THE DISK.
THEN WE WILL TRANSFER.
MY [[Hyperlink Blocked]]." - If he was given some Determination to get him "hooked" and just enough of it to gain some power, powering the body of NEO with that energy would be very beneficial.

"KRIS THAT [Little Nipper] IS OUR [One-way Ticket] TO MAKE YOU [Big]. MAKE ME [Big].
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WE WILL BE TAKING [ A Ride around Town on Our Specil Cungadero]
VACATIONING IN [Burning acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked]." - While acid baths don't sound too good for your skin, soaking in Determination does sound good. That is, if you can really quantify such amounts of it, and it's not just Spamton looking through materialistic eyes.

Still tho, "Being BIG" seems to be in referance to possessing Determination. He NEEDS Kris, to be BIG. He NEEDs the Soul in them, filled with juicy Determination.

I was thinking the same actually. The red soul is the link, and it’s blocked for him because we’re in control of it.

However, I don't think it being censored, is due to us owning the Soul in mention. It seems to me more the corruption blocks that word out, as it already does to make him sound incomprehensible.
TemmieNeko 2021 年 9 月 24 日 上午 9:33 
引用自 Darano the Dragon
引用自 Crazy Nick
With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

That's.. actually a rather tangible theory, yea. Given the way [Hyperlink Blocked] is used in the few instances he says that, it just might sound like he's refering to it. Either Determination or LOVE, which is a bit more questionable, and only based on the line about "You and Noelle making [Hyperlink Blocked]". Just would make sense, given all the murder you have to do, to even get there.

But it is most likely Determination if anything. It fits just too well with majority of the lines.

"[...]BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT, DON'T WE!? W1LD PR1ZES, HOTSINGLE, 100 CUSTOMER, AND MOST OF ALL... [Hyperlink Blocked]" - If Spamton is speaking directly to Kris, then it would makee sense that the both of them would want Determination especially bad. Spamton wants to call his own deals and shots, and Kris wants to be independent from the Player, be it a good or bad thing.

"[...]NOW KRIS. DON'T BE GREEDY. HAND OVER. THE DISK.
THEN WE WILL TRANSFER.
MY [[Hyperlink Blocked]]." - If he was given some Determination to get him "hooked" and just enough of it to gain some power, powering the body of NEO with that energy would be very beneficial.

"KRIS THAT [Little Nipper] IS OUR [One-way Ticket] TO MAKE YOU [Big]. MAKE ME [Big].
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WE WILL BE TAKING [ A Ride around Town on Our Specil Cungadero]
VACATIONING IN [Burning acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked]." - While acid baths don't sound too good for your skin, soaking in Determination does sound good. That is, if you can really quantify such amounts of it, and it's not just Spamton looking through materialistic eyes.

Still tho, "Being BIG" seems to be in referance to possessing Determination. He NEEDS Kris, to be BIG. He NEEDs the Soul in them, filled with juicy Determination.

I was thinking the same actually. The red soul is the link, and it’s blocked for him because we’re in control of it.

However, I don't think it being censored, is due to us owning the Soul in mention. It seems to me more the corruption blocks that word out, as it already does to make him sound incomprehensible.
t then he says hes the main supplierof the [ hyperlink blocked ] that mkes0 sense if its determinaiton lol
Crazy Nick 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 12:11 
引用自 Darano the Dragon
引用自 Crazy Nick
With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

That's.. actually a rather tangible theory, yea. Given the way [Hyperlink Blocked] is used in the few instances he says that, it just might sound like he's refering to it. Either Determination or LOVE, which is a bit more questionable, and only based on the line about "You and Noelle making [Hyperlink Blocked]". Just would make sense, given all the murder you have to do, to even get there.

But it is most likely Determination if anything. It fits just too well with majority of the lines.

"[...]BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT, DON'T WE!? W1LD PR1ZES, HOTSINGLE, 100 CUSTOMER, AND MOST OF ALL... [Hyperlink Blocked]" - If Spamton is speaking directly to Kris, then it would makee sense that the both of them would want Determination especially bad. Spamton wants to call his own deals and shots, and Kris wants to be independent from the Player, be it a good or bad thing.

"[...]NOW KRIS. DON'T BE GREEDY. HAND OVER. THE DISK.
THEN WE WILL TRANSFER.
MY [[Hyperlink Blocked]]." - If he was given some Determination to get him "hooked" and just enough of it to gain some power, powering the body of NEO with that energy would be very beneficial.

"KRIS THAT [Little Nipper] IS OUR [One-way Ticket] TO MAKE YOU [Big]. MAKE ME [Big].
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WE WILL BE TAKING [ A Ride around Town on Our Specil Cungadero]
VACATIONING IN [Burning acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked]." - While acid baths don't sound too good for your skin, soaking in Determination does sound good. That is, if you can really quantify such amounts of it, and it's not just Spamton looking through materialistic eyes.

Still tho, "Being BIG" seems to be in referance to possessing Determination. He NEEDS Kris, to be BIG. He NEEDs the Soul in them, filled with juicy Determination.

I was thinking the same actually. The red soul is the link, and it’s blocked for him because we’re in control of it.

However, I don't think it being censored, is due to us owning the Soul in mention. It seems to me more the corruption blocks that word out, as it already does to make him sound incomprehensible.
To further add on to Spamton's backstory, rather than Kris overriding Spamton's ability to SAVE, it feels closer to Gaster had cut Spamton off of any additional Determination (possibly during the part where Spamton left in the middle of a phone conversation as mentioned by one of the NPCs) due to Spamton only utilizing it for short-term accomplishments. Spamton only then started contemplating the bigger picture after he'd lost everything and attempts to access the discarded Mettaton NEO body. But getting kicked out of Queen's Mansion made things more difficult.

This feels like this has happened before Kris and Susie even enter the Cyber World since so much happened with Spamton that it's impossible for so much to happen in such short amount of time. Remember, the internet had only recently gone out in the real world's town, if Spamton is a form of Adware/Virus operating from a computer in the Library, it wouldn't be able to spread Ads anywhere at the present time, so his successes had to have been before that time.

One additional thing regarding Spamton ranting about being [BIG], it could mean being able to see things from a Lightener's perspective. All the Darkener's perspectives are tied to small inanimate objects within the room they're present in. Being [BIG] could be both literal and figurative in terms of being on par with a Lightener.
Fullmetal 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 2:48 
引用自 Darano the Dragon
True, and that's pretty much my own assumption thus far into the game. Don't really see it being anyone else, since the Roaring Knight.. they don't seem to fit the bill. Unless they open a fountain, and then work from shadows. These two are the only suspects that we know of anyway. Unless there's someone else, we didn't yet have sight of.

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Still, I do think the knight has something to do with it. When he is about to talk about the knight, he immediately says: "No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --" not with his uppercase crazy speech, but his normal speech when he says ",,,can anyone hear me? Help"
Crazygamer205 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 6:27 
spamton is too hard
Uber foder 2021 年 9 月 25 日 上午 8:40 
spamton is spamton. i solved it. praise me
Filterer 2023 年 9 月 16 日 下午 7:09 
IM WAY MORE BETTER THAN [[That Clown Around Town]]!!!
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