Why Spamton?

[Darano]

To this moment it boggles me, what was it about Spamton that brought him the attention of our dear old Gaster? He's not like Jevil, he's not a rather strong being just by himself, that's why he needs the body of NEO. If we assume that this "Mike" is a different entity from Gaster, and that Mike is the one who made puppet man so succesful, before dropping him.. that just wouldn't explain why he, out of probably every single other failed salesman, Mike themselves even, and just everyone, would recieve that call.

Giving it to pure chance would be silly. There must've been something, that made him attractive. There are only 3 things I can think of:

• The connection to whoever Mike is, something Spamton knew about him
  
• His knowledge of the NEO body resting in Queen's basement
  
• The fact he has the Thorn Ring in his possesion, somehow for some reason

I just don't see anything else making him special. Or maybe I'm missing something about him? Maybe it is just chance, that his career failed around the time the mystery man himself, started looking for tools/followers.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

That’s assuming Gaster is the one corrupting them.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Simple.

Spamton was desperate.

[Darano]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

That’s assuming Gaster is the one corrupting them.

True, and that's pretty much my own assumption thus far into the game. Don't really see it being anyone else, since the Roaring Knight.. they don't seem to fit the bill. Unless they open a fountain, and then work from shadows. These two are the only suspects that we know of anyway. Unless there's someone else, we didn't yet have sight of.

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Simple.

Spamton was desperate.

Even if, would he be the only desperate creature/person in existance? It's hard to believe, there had to be many like him, people fail constantly in buisness or get laid off. It doesn't seem like reason enough.

[Breakingzap]

he's a miniboss i think, more powerful than other creatures in the dark world perhaps that is why?

[Flika1999]

Originally posted by Darano the Dragon:

If we assume that this "Mike" is a different entity from Gaster, and that Mike is the one who made puppet man so succesful, before dropping him.. that just wouldn't explain why he, out of probably every single other failed salesman, Mike themselves even, and just everyone, would recieve that call.

I think Spamton has a split personality, and Mike is the other half. I'm not basing this on much evidence, just what I observed in my playthrough. Any time his glasses go dark, his dialogue style changes and he calls for help or mentions mike, we're seeing this other persona. He even references this dialogue as a separate person when you speak to him in the shop.

[Darano]

Originally posted by Breakingzap:

he's a miniboss i think, more powerful than other creatures in the dark world perhaps that is why?

Tasque Manager is also a miniboss of sorts, if we're going off of the first encounter with Spamton. Because we need to remember, he was already corrupted before getting the NEO form. In his normal body, I don't think he'd be half as powerful as most of the dark world creatures. Certainly not as powerful as Jevil.

Originally posted by Flika1999:

I think Spamton has a split personality, and Mike is the other half. I'm not basing this on much evidence, just what I observed in my playthrough. Any time his glasses go dark, his dialogue style changes and he calls for help or mentions mike, we're seeing this other persona. He even references this dialogue as a separate person when you speak to him in the shop.

That could be true, given that we get to talk with the sane Spamton for a while after the secret boss fight, and he speaks normal, and as mentioned, those moments of clarity. However I don't think the part of him we hear usually, is Mike. It might be just that his corruption is completely distorting his speech, forcing a different personality. Mike seems to be implied to be someone else, how he's a "criminal", and the thought of them brings the sane Spamton to say their name.

[Breakingzap]

Maybe Spamton is smarter than other darkners?
less loyal to the queen perhaps?

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Darano the Dragon:

To this moment it boggles me, what was it about Spamton that brought him the attention of our dear old Gaster? He's not like Jevil, he's not a rather strong being just by himself, that's why he needs the body of NEO. If we assume that this "Mike" is a different entity from Gaster, and that Mike is the one who made puppet man so succesful, before dropping him.. that just wouldn't explain why he, out of probably every single other failed salesman, Mike themselves even, and just everyone, would recieve that call.

Giving it to pure chance would be silly. There must've been something, that made him attractive. There are only 3 things I can think of:

• The connection to whoever Mike is, something Spamton knew about him
  
• His knowledge of the NEO body resting in Queen's basement
  
• The fact he has the Thorn Ring in his possesion, somehow for some reason

I just don't see anything else making him special. Or maybe I'm missing something about him? Maybe it is just chance, that his career failed around the time the mystery man himself, started looking for tools/followers.

whoever is " controlling " ppl liek Jevil and Spamton, chooses who they choose for a reason.
But it seems like the crossroads where you meet the devil.
It's " random chance " but it's gonna be at a moment when you are desperate enough to need ANY sort of influence, that you didn't care where it came from.
even from evil things, with consequences you choose to ignore, bc you need it NOW.

that's 100% Spamton. he's a loser, couldn't sell anything - he's super tiny, so that's a huge weight on him. He is pretty happy with BIG and SHOT. he wants to be a BIG SHOT , and he wants to BE BIG, big in terms of size AND success.

the influencer here sees the desperation in spamton, and decides this is the perfect candidate due to their unique desperation/.

i think humans have determination - but ppl that have given up their humanity are filled with desperation

KRIS seems to be influenced by this same force. their phone also makes garbage noises.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I had a strange thought.

These voices corrupting people to murder, become powerful, and steal souls seems quite demonic. And Ralsei is the Prince from the Dark, which is very similar to Prince of Darkness aka the Devil…

And in the weird route Ralsei lets slip that he knew something was supposed to happen. As if he knows the events of the story before they happen…

What if, Ralsei was imprisoned in the Dark World, alone in his dark kingdom, and has in the past taken different forms and attempted to make certain darkners and lightners determined enough so that eventually a SOUL of determination would need to be sent down to stop them? And if the devil gets control of that SOUL during the Roaring, nothing can stop him?

Just some random thoughts.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I had a strange thought.

These voices corrupting people to murder, become powerful, and steal souls seems quite demonic. And Ralsei is the Prince from the Dark, which is very similar to Prince of Darkness aka the Devil…

And in the weird route Ralsei lets slip that he knew something was supposed to happen. As if he knows the events of the story before they happen…

What if, Ralsei was imprisoned in the Dark World, alone in his dark kingdom, and has in the past taken different forms and attempted to make certain darkners and lightners determined enough so that eventually a SOUL of determination would need to be sent down to stop them? And if the devil gets control of that SOUL during the Roaring, nothing can stop him?

Just some random thoughts.

ralsei also knows we actively are a player seeiong ther events, bc he INSISTS we woinder how Susie is doing seconds into the scene on snowgrave, and normally we are teleported inside the room to NOelle and Susie's discussion.

Ralsei is Aware of US , the player.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I had a strange thought.

These voices corrupting people to murder, become powerful, and steal souls seems quite demonic. And Ralsei is the Prince from the Dark, which is very similar to Prince of Darkness aka the Devil…

And in the weird route Ralsei lets slip that he knew something was supposed to happen. As if he knows the events of the story before they happen…

What if, Ralsei was imprisoned in the Dark World, alone in his dark kingdom, and has in the past taken different forms and attempted to make certain darkners and lightners determined enough so that eventually a SOUL of determination would need to be sent down to stop them? And if the devil gets control of that SOUL during the Roaring, nothing can stop him?

Just some random thoughts.

ralsei also knows we actively are a player seeiong ther events, bc he INSISTS we woinder how Susie is doing seconds into the scene on snowgrave, and normally we are teleported inside the room to NOelle and Susie's discussion.

Ralsei is Aware of US , the player.

Ralsei is the Devil trying to steal our SOUL and banish the Angel’s Heaven.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

ralsei also knows we actively are a player seeiong ther events, bc he INSISTS we woinder how Susie is doing seconds into the scene on snowgrave, and normally we are teleported inside the room to NOelle and Susie's discussion.

Ralsei is Aware of US , the player.

Ralsei is the Devil trying to steal our SOUL and banish the Angel’s Heaven.

ralsei self inserts ion the legend lol. and adds the dark wizard part.

[Crazy Nick]

With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

[CSS]

Originally posted by Crazy Nick:

With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

had a lengthy discussion on Reddit about that, came down to choice, agency, or love,

its something like choice, consider it in the context that deltarune is a world that is supposed to be devoid of choice, but he also says hes putting his hyperlinked blocked in the empty disk, and some statements in the snowgrave route don't compltly line up either

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Crazy Nick:

With Spamton, I'm wondering if [Hyperlink Blocked] is supposed to be Determination.

I could see Spamton utilizing Determination similar to how Flowey and Frisk used it in Undertale. Essentially, to use SAVE and LOAD. Spamton would SAVE, wait for a while to see what the new trends were, then LOAD to capitalize first on advertising or selling products based on whatever's supposed to be the new trend in the future, hence his newfound success. Spamton phrases [Hyperlink Blocked] sort of like how an addict would. Possibly he's hooked on Determination?

I wonder if Gaster is giving Determination to certain denizens of the Dark World to see if they can utilize it to successfully breach the Normal World while using the Dark Fountains and/or Dark Crystals as an access point of sorts. And if they can escape, perhaps Gaster could replicate the results for himself to use.

I was thinking the same actually. The red soul is the link, and it’s blocked for him because we’re in control of it.