HonkaiImpact 3rd

HonkaiImpact 3rd

FizzyElf Oct 25, 2023 @ 7:58pm
Most powerful Valkyrie
So I've been wondering and even got into a small debate about this a while back, who is the most powerful Valk?

Out of everyone when it comes to the potential strength they could have I would assume Elysia, Prometheus, AI or Griseo because Ely is able to create and provide new mantles for characters she likes as well as counter any of the herrschers and she might as well be resurrected pink haired Jesus, Prometheus is a spinoff/piece of/IS god, AI is god #2 and Griseo is some eldritch god of the Genshin Impact world/universe that we get a toned down more human example of in Honkai impact. I assume fight wise Griseo would bow to Ely as they were squadmates and Prometheus would depend on what version of her is showing up to the fight, if it was the god version then Ely would lose and Genshin Griseo and unsupervised AI would get locked in a three way stalemate. AI could probably beat Ely if she cut loose but she might have problems dividing and conquering dozens of Origin/Finality level Herrschers that Ely might start spamming where as Griseo or Prometheus probably wouldn't be affected by the tactic.

Out of the non-herrschers/gods who would be the strongest? My guess during the original debate was Steele but the opposition was Vermilion Knight... which I mean, I like her but I can't really understand the argument for her, obviously though I am no lore master nor do I know everything about Honkai impact so perhaps there is something about her that I just wasn't grasping.

Who is the most broken Valk from level 1 mission 1 all the way to the final boss of part 1? (yes I know you have set characters for the final boss, I am being theoretical).
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Meowish Oct 25, 2023 @ 8:51pm 
The answer is very easy for Gacha type Character collection game: Power Creep

Most of the old initial Valk is capable of reaching 1400 ATK. The newer none meta ones are around 1500 ATK when SSS maxed, the newest ones can reach 1600 ATK easily. There's a huge power difference when we start adding multipliers to those base ATK.

So based on this, the next Valk coming is Luna (CL), and after Luna there's the Grown Up Griseo, and there's those 3 Valks (Himeko?) coming in Part 2... well... the new ones will get stronger and stronger... power creep.

But Generic Usage Wise, for none Exalt/Challenge Contents, you only need Valk that reached 1100 ATK, so all the Valks can still be used (Including the B Ranked SSS Valkyries) if you are not into the rankings.




Story wise, the strongest is Ai Hyperion λ (Lambda), she is the Server Admin of the 3 super computers that run the HI3rd world.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2902513661
Technically, she's not "strong", but she's the one that's able to reach the On/Off button of HI3rd. :winkycat: - Bear in mind that there are others who are able to reach the same "Dimension Level" as her, eg. The Captain. (Note: This part of the story setting is very similar to the Tenchi Muyo - Ryooki Universe settings, where the gods are living among their own creations and from these "creations" born the one that will later create the Gods in the past. Chicken or Egg Loop)

And the story continues after they found and picked up Luna. And the new event starting with Hyperion sticking out the ground like a Carrot and Ai gone dead... :laughcat: (Another famous scene copy cat from Tenchi Muyo)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3061745966




If you are trying too hard to understand the game's logic, you might as well go watch this movie, there's an answer to everything in it. :wadacat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYyF3xnUfOc
Last edited by Meowish; Oct 26, 2023 @ 5:55am
FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 9:06pm 
Makes sense, my understanding of AI seems to be correct too, as long as she doesn't flip the table she is one of the strongest in the game though if she does flip the table then it really doesn't matter who or what is happening because the game is irrelevant at that point.

Captain has admin and physical server access permissions? I thought the Cap had to go through AI, sort of like using Cortana as an interface/operating system to make use of Forerunner tech.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3061745966
:lunar2020thinkingtiger: Why is the ground... is the earth forming lips to kiss and catch the Hyperion in this image? cause impact craters don't form like that and I don't recall us have a Toph on board the ship to catch us with earth bending.:eaglederp:

Something I found today and then lost was a menu that actually divided all of the valks and their variants into two categories: S and A rank, with the valks ingame rank being ignored in favor of their potential efficiency in battle and now I can't seem to find the menu anymore, searched for it for like 30 minutes after I left it to go check and see if the newest valk had a test drive out for us yet. It sounds like maybe that menu is related to the B and SSS rank valks thing you mentioned but I am not sure.

I think the highest single hit base damage Valk I have does 450 damage, SS rank (half way to SSS) Steele using Rita's end game Scythe but my other valks hit way above that 800-1100 damage because they have equipment and abuse crit and damage buff attacks and they are all just S rank. She unfortunatly does not do a whole lot of damage even when deep in the thick of a fight which makes her good for farming hits for challenges and farming evasions but awful for DPS. When it comes to heavy hitters I am hoping to get Vermilion knight a real sword and then level her up to level 65 so I can use her for fire damage again, should be hitting 1400ish when everything is set up like I want it and then I have to start trying to find more pieces and rank her up to SSS. Same story for Raven and the Steele/Seele combo valk, they do okay but I need to improve them further. I found a new stigmata setup, plus valk combination I am going to try which should make the Twins nearly immortal as they'll heal faster than the enemies strike at me so even if I stop playing for a second to drink some tea or something I should be fine (two healing Stigmata on Steele, a group healing stigmata and healing weapon set up on Theresa and run it with some damage debuffs, should work decently and if I can get her scythe and start ranking her up towards SSS she should be a serious powerhouse) but I will need a bit of work to get all of the items I need unfortunately.

Also:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2902513661
did you make this screenshot? I don't remember it from in game. It's from the hacker event right?
Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 9:34pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Captain has admin and physical server access permissions? I thought the Cap had to go through AI, sort of like using Cortana as an interface/operating system to make use of Forerunner tech.

The Captain is in the same Dimension Level as Ai, so does his crew. Higher Dimension, like you and the game in front of you, your Dimension is 1 level higher than those in the Screen in front of you. HI3rd is in a lower Dimension compared to where the Captain and Ai is standing. They are "outside" of HI3rd and yet still in HI3rd, similar to Tenchi Muyo's settings.

P/S: Parallel Worlds are still within the same "Dimension", simply put, everyone in a higher "Dimension" will be counted as "god" to those in a lower Dimension, Higher Dimension Beings could see stuffs the lower Dimension Beings can't. Example, we are in the 3rd Dimension, the games in front of you are in the 2nd Dimension, you can see the game and the monitor and the PC the game is projected on, but those inside the game could only act and see the stuffs you allowed them to see...

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Why is the ground... is the earth forming lips to kiss and catch the Hyperion in this image? cause impact craters don't form like that and I don't recall us have a Toph on board the ship to catch us with earth bending.:eaglederp:

Probably a reference to Tenchi Muyo's famous scenes where giant space ships crashed in ridiculous ways. Especially Mihoshi (not miHoYo) entering Earth always ended up in a crash.

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Something I found today and then lost was a menu that actually divided all of the valks and their variants into two categories: S and A rank, with the valks ingame rank being ignored in favor of their potential efficiency in battle and now I can't seem to find the menu anymore, searched for it for like 30 minutes after I left it to go check and see if the newest valk had a test drive out for us yet. It sounds like maybe that menu is related to the B and SSS rank valks thing you mentioned but I am not sure.

Sounds like the Witch corridor, which they divided the quality of the Valks in Witch Orb (Purple), Pure Witch Orb (Gold) + Pure Elf Orb (Red)

Each have their own menu where you can exchange the extra fragments you have for something else.

Having an A-ranked SSS valk unlocks Witch Orb tab, having a S-ranked SSS valk unlocks the Pure Witch Orb tab, having a maxed out Gacha ELF unlocks the Pure ELF orb tab.

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
I think the highest single hit base damage Valk I have does 450 damage

Too low, even SSS Liliya can manage a 5 digit damage. You need to work on your multipliers, make sure you have a team with support type stigmata and weapon that boost team mate's damage.

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
did you make this screenshot? I don't remember it from in game. It's from the hacker event right?

Forgot the Event name, it's from the Event where Ai summoned "The Player" to her world to help her save the 3 Super Computers that went berserk.
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 9:41pm 
I see, what I meant on the captain thing was whether or not the captain can access Mihoyo's servers like AI is supposed to be able to as I believe she talked about in the same event the screen shot is from.

Also yeah way too low, especially given that at one point I had three A ranks doing more damage than her so she definitely needs some reworking but I haven't bothered to as I do need a low damage fast hitting valk for challenges and I don't always want to use Haxxor for that even if that is literally what she is built for, I'd like a little extra variety. Plus I seem to get her pieces all the time for no reason, I've never pulled for or directly bought anything for her and I don't use her frequently enough to warrant the rank she has but it is what it is and I have my DPS attention focused on lower ranked Valks.
Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 9:52pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
I see, what I meant on the captain thing was whether or not the captain can access Mihoyo's servers like AI is supposed to be able to as I believe she talked about in the same event the screen shot is from.

As long as you are in the same dimension, you can interfere. If you are not in the same dimension, you can't even see the switch or understands the switch. That's why it's still impossible for human to understands the 4th Dimension because we are in the 3rd (Our whole universe is in the 3rd Dimension). We understands the concepts of Dimensions due to we can create the 2D and 1D worlds, we are aware that there maybe a higher dimension than ours, but we can't understand it, yet. Dimension Breakthrough will means the human managed to do it will become a transcender, going into divine godhood. But as put forth by Tenchi Muyo's world settings, there will be higher Dimension than the 4th, so even the "Gods" will have their "Gods and creators" as the dimension level goes up...

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
I don't always want to use Haxxor for that even if that is literally what she is built for, I'd like a little extra variety. Plus I seem to get her pieces all the time for no reason, I've never pulled for or directly bought anything for her and I don't use her frequently enough to warrant the rank she has but it is what it is and I have my DPS attention focused on lower ranked Valks.

Why not? Only HoTruth can out support HB. She can boost an Ice team mate's damage insanely high just like Fischl in a Lightning team.
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:07pm 
Originally posted by Meowish:
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
I see, what I meant on the captain thing was whether or not the captain can access Mihoyo's servers like AI is supposed to be able to as I believe she talked about in the same event the screen shot is from.

As long as you are in the same dimension, you can interfere. If you are not in the same dimension, you can't even see the switch or understands the switch. That's why it's still impossible for human to understands the 4th Dimension because we are in the 3rd.

Originally posted by FizzyElf:
I don't always want to use Haxxor for that even if that is literally what she is built for, I'd like a little extra variety. Plus I seem to get her pieces all the time for no reason, I've never pulled for or directly bought anything for her and I don't use her frequently enough to warrant the rank she has but it is what it is and I have my DPS attention focused on lower ranked Valks.

Why not? Only HoTruth can out support HB. She can boost an Ice team mate's damage insanely high just like Fischl in a Lightning team.
Yeah but the only Ice valks she would be supporting are Serenade (A) and Kira (S), I don't have Rita's ice variant or the other Ice Bronya's like Silverwing so there is no DPS for the lineup only a support and two ranged kiting valks which both need weapons, stigmata and more ranks before they can hold up the team on their own. I want to run Truth, Hax and Silverwing or Rita in a lineup but I am lacking the proper variants of the valks to pull it off.

I can technically supplement in Vermilion as a pseudo ice valk using the hybrid frost blade but thats all I can think of that I have which could be used to make a new ice valk for the lineup and that really would help a whole lot boosting wise as I don't think Truth or Hax would buff the weapon, I would have to test it though.
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Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:12pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Yeah but the only Ice valks she would be supporting are Serenade (A) and Kira (S), I don't have Rita's ice variant or the other Ice Bronya's like Silverwing so there is no DPS for the lineup only a support and two ranged kiting valks which both need weapons, stigmata and more ranks before they can hold up the team on their own. I want to run Truth, Hax and Silverwing or Rita in a lineup but I am lacking the proper variants of the valks to pull it off.

You don't need a S-ranked valk as dps. I can easily clear end game challenge using Pardofelis as a main dps in an Ice team with HB being the support and another valk with high elemental % boost Leader skill being the leader of the team. What important is how you manage the "math" of your team boosters. The multipliers are the key to huge damages.

And not all on-meta Valks are great imo... CL for example can do large damage continuously, but comes with a very very troublesome (tiresome) of key smashing combos.... There are way easier to use valks with single button attacks and can finish the challenges as long as you can manage to put a high multipliers on them.
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:14pm 
Wait Pardofelis is bleed and physical damage, she isn't elemental right?

Because I do have her.
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Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:18pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Wait Pardofelis is bleed and physical damage, she isn't elemental right?

Because I do have her.
Pardo is Freeze and Ice, you can easily put a bunch of ice stigmata that boost high damage (do not even need her signature set) eg. Shakespere can boost 51% in a single stigma. HB continues to attack even when she's not on the stage and that adds to the total damage of whoever dps you are using.

Again, it's based on SSS maxed ranked versions of them. At least for me, none SS rank valks are junks.
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:25pm 
Originally posted by Meowish:
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Wait Pardofelis is bleed and physical damage, she isn't elemental right?

Because I do have her.
Pardo is Freeze and Ice
Hmmmmm I could run her, HB and the Twins or a global elemental boost leader, Pardo isn't perfect for DPS but she is able to bob and weave through enemy attacks pretty well, combine that with HB spawning in her drones and supporting it would be pretty good, the Twins or maybe Carrol could lock down bosses fairly easily and the twins have time slow so hitting a perfect dodge and bringing in Pardo and HB right after could do some nice damage. I'll have to play around with that and see if any of my leaders could boost up Pardo enough (she is one of my weakest S rank valks, definitely ahead of HB though) so she can be main-ed more effectively instead of relying on dodges and playing thumb cramping simulator to beat the higher HP bosses.
Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:29pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Hmmmmm I could run her, HB and the Twins or a global elemental boost leader, Pardo isn't perfect for DPS but she is able to bob and weave through enemy attacks pretty well, combine that with HB spawning in her drones and supporting it would be pretty good, the Twins or maybe Carrol could lock down bosses fairly easily and the twins have time slow so hitting a perfect dodge and bringing in Pardo and HB right after could do some nice damage. I'll have to play around with that and see if any of my leaders could boost up Pardo enough (she is one of my weakest S rank valks, definitely ahead of HB though) so she can be main-ed more effectively instead of relying on dodges and playing thumb cramping simulator to beat the higher HP bosses.

Instead of trying to utilize S rank, get them to SSS. Everyone will shine when you get them to SSS, and S-ranked based Valks needs to be at least SS to show potential... so any valks lesser than SS are considered junks. (Note: Pardo can get up to 1500 ATK at SSS rank)
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:32pm 
Originally posted by Meowish:
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Hmmmmm I could run her, HB and the Twins or a global elemental boost leader, Pardo isn't perfect for DPS but she is able to bob and weave through enemy attacks pretty well, combine that with HB spawning in her drones and supporting it would be pretty good, the Twins or maybe Carrol could lock down bosses fairly easily and the twins have time slow so hitting a perfect dodge and bringing in Pardo and HB right after could do some nice damage. I'll have to play around with that and see if any of my leaders could boost up Pardo enough (she is one of my weakest S rank valks, definitely ahead of HB though) so she can be main-ed more effectively instead of relying on dodges and playing thumb cramping simulator to beat the higher HP bosses.

Instead of trying to utilize S rank, get them to SSS. Everyone will shine when you get them to SSS, and S-ranked based Valks needs to be at least SS to show potential... so any valks lesser than SS are considered junks.
Meanwhile my SS rank Steele is trading blows with A ranks :winter2019joyfultearsdog:
Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:35pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Meanwhile my SS rank Steele is trading blows with A ranks :winter2019joyfultearsdog:
Seele needs pri-arm from another S-ranked version of her. And all A-ranked starter needs to be at least SSS to show potential. Also, Seele works mainly on Perfect Dodge, if you aren't good at that, forget about using her.

Although this game is Gacha and Stats based, the primary design is still an Anime Fighter game, so player's skill counts. There are hard to use characters with insane high damage output but isn't suitable for team and goes more on solo dps, there are easier to use characters that requires constant QTE switching, a QTE team that does high damage WHEN switching to another valk... each their own play style.
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FizzyElf Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:44pm 
Originally posted by Meowish:
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Meanwhile my SS rank Steele is trading blows with A ranks :winter2019joyfultearsdog:
Seele needs pri-arm from another S-ranked version of her. And all A-ranked starter needs to be at least SSS to show potential. Also, Seele works mainly on Perfect Dodge, if you aren't good at that, forget about using her.
Very good at dodging, actually the hardest thing there is if it is a challenge as I will end up just standing there waiting for the enemy to attack and they just circle instead and psych me out lol. But perfect dodge is what I mainly do with the twins as then when the perfect dodge hits I run down the timer landing hits and right before it ends I pop my ultimate switch to Seele or Steele and then slam the enemy with swapping attack they have access to, works great for clearing the Asterlite farming material mission, 9-14 seconds abusing the twin's perfect dodge and swap attack and the mission is over, it is fantastic.

Herrscher Elysia is also really good as a perfect dodge valk as she has a bow so she can instantly slow any enemy mid attack, shoot them dodge, receive a free perfect dodge and then swap out or start laying the smack down onto the enemy. I really want to get her up to SSS as that bow shot perfect dodge system works like a charm on basically everything besides Rita in her boss battle that's attached to one of the Valkyrie farming material missions, her attacks seem to land so long as you are in range so it's better to use someone like Raven or Carol with their invincible states and try to time it to coincide with the hit or just dodge far away and keep Rita at range seeing as the ice area of affect thing she has is a death sentence if you stick too close for too long. But in any case I will be working on getting a few key valks that match my play style up to SSS like Raven, Elysia and the Twins.
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Meowish Oct 26, 2023 @ 10:53pm 
Originally posted by FizzyElf:
Very good at dodging, actually the hardest thing there is if it is a challenge as I will end up just standing there waiting for the enemy to attack and they just circle instead and psych me out lol. But perfect dodge is what I mainly do with the twins as then when the perfect dodge hits I run down the timer landing hits and right before it ends I pop my ultimate switch to Seele or Steele and then slam the enemy with swapping attack they have access to, works great for clearing the Asterlite farming material mission, 9-14 seconds abusing the twin's perfect dodge and swap attack and the mission is over, it is fantastic.

By twins if you mean Liliya, then you do not dodge but do "Counter Attack", forget about Rozaliya, she's weak, you need to maxed her core and turn her into Delta to be use-able, and when you do that, she works about the same as Liliya and thrive on Counter Attacks. Make sure you understand each of their playstyle before you plan a team.

QTE Teams are team that triggers each others QTE and do large damage by constantly Switching. HoT, Fischl, Eden is a QTE team, you do not play one character all through the stage, you need to switch for the boosters to work.

There are Elemental team that centers around 1 or 2 dps, eg, HoH, Pardo, HB. where you can just use Pardo for the rest of the stage after you summoned HB's drone.

There are teams that require debuffs. Physical team NEEDS a debuffer that can cast IMPAIR on the enemies, you need to cast that, then switch back to the DPS for high damages. Delta for example, works with SA (buff crit) and HoS/DP (IMPAIR)

There are special team that centers around certain Status, like Bleed. Susanah, Griseo + (IMPAIR Debuffer) HoS/Promethus/any valk with IMPAIR weapon. And depends on the 3rd team mate, you either do QTE Team style or 2 dps style team here.

For the latest version, the game introduced the 1st ever Elemental Bleed character, CL can do Lightning + Bleed at the same time, so Bleed is now no longer a Physical only team status. And how it works out needs some pondering imo... the dev suggested Mobius as team mate, but it seems like Fischl + Eden still works... and weirdly CL works to replace Griseo in a Bleed team... and it seems like there's not enough "elemental bleed" type valk to form a really good team for her atm... basically she works a lot like HoO but better, just not enough support team mates to fully bring out her "bleed" potential.
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