*SPOILERS* true ending story talk

[RedButterfly33]

Okay, the English translation can definitely use work, because I got the "true" ending and I'm very confused

I get the gist of it, sort of, but if any bilingual people out there can clarify, that would be great. So....

The old hero saw Papa and his daughter at the restaurant, and decided to steal her body because he was getting old. He did this by... sending a bird for her to chase so she can fall off a cliff? And he either killed the father or erased his memories, or both. Then the mom rescued him and... this is where I get confused. Did they have another daughter later and name her the same? Because that's weird. Or did they always have twins, and the dad only took one of them to the restaurant while the other was--I presume--with the mom? In that case why do they both have the same name, did they have twins and name them the same?? Because that's also weird.


There's mention of the mom rewinding time, and a constant motif in the art of birth and rebirth, but something is getting lost in translation here. What is she rewinding? What is she "succeeding" in? She mentions she's failed many times, but at what? Saving both girls? How is the time rewinding connecting to that, is it a meta narrative?


And what was up with the Owl Princess anyway? Was she the mom? I thought the mom was the Volcano Goddess. Was the owl princess a form that the mom took? Why did she have a gem in her chest, and why did she pretend to be defeated then? Or was there something I missed about the mom? There's a mention that her absence was causing the degradation, did something happen to her to make her disappear? Or was this part of her plan to save her daughters?


Devs, please make a note here. Your translation needs work, it's nearly incomprehensible to an english speaker, and it needs to sound more natural in the language. I read paragraphs of texts that were supposed to explain all this, and it was so poorly done I struggle to understand what your game is even about (which is a shame, because it seems very interesting and I WANT to understand it)

[WinterSachi]

I haven't seen the updated true ending, only the original one, but that's what I've gathered from the story overall. And I have a feeling that it's not about a translation, even with perfect English it still would be quite ambiguous.

Yes, the old hero kidnapped the daughter somewhere after the first Birdie festival, after the dad and the girl chase the bird and end up in the forest. Later in the story the knight's college president (Claude) shows the students a stone tablet with markings. No one knows what these markings mean but speculates that it was used to count something by an ancient civilization. It's hinted that the stone and markings are made by Volcano Goddess/Owl Princess/Mom, and she counts how many time loops she has already done to save her daughters.
The whole point is that usually both daughters die (and yes, Mom had twins). Either in infancy (it's shown in one of the flashbacks with the said stone; the mother places dead infant/infants covered in sheets near the stone and then does the marking by touching the stone) or later. Or, probably, one daughter dies and another lives for a while (Angel Daughter says in true ending that she inherited her Mom's powers, and your playable daughter didn't and she's a regular human; it's hinted that human daughter sometimes dies of being too weak after the birth), however the ending is tragic. It's not confirmed in the game, but I speculate that daughter (probably Angel Daughter) falling from the cliff, and the timeline you're currently in (with kidnapping) are two different ones. I speculate that the daughter has fallen from the cliff and died. Then Dad either has a dream or has woken up in the new loop, and Goddess/Mom tells him that this time everything is going to be ok, and she has figured it out. That's probably why you see two different daughters: because in that timeline with the cliff one of the twins has died in infancy. That's why in one of the flashbacks the Mom is sitting at the table and trying to figure out how to sort out seeds - it's a symbolic scene showing her struggle to finally find the perfect ending and stop looping.
So, your actions lead to a better ending (every regular one but not true) or a perfect ending (true ending), where both daughters live.

Goddess/Mom is Owl Princess. It's hinted in many parts of the game. Plus in one of the dialogues with... I don't remember.... Lon...? He states that according to the myths the Goddess has power to change the flow of time, but it slowly drives her insane. Her insanity or time looping is probably a cause of degradation. That's why in the regular ending it persists and in the perfect ending it stops, and the Goddess/Mom returns to Dad.

Or, I don't know, maybe the seed scene means that the Goddess has decided to split her daughter spirit into two persons (Goddess/Angel one and human one) to achieve the perfect ending, and at the beginning there was only one child destined to be dead, killed or kidnapped. I certainly need to achieve Volcano Goddess ending (not the true one) to figure this out.

[RedButterfly33]

Thanks for that, it explains some things especially about the tablet, I totally missed that. But how can there be twins if they're different ages? Lesba is older than Rose by quite a bit, and also they still have the same name? There was a mention of the dad's memory of the kidnapped daughter being erased, but surely Rose herself would remember having a sibling? Unless the mom erased it for whatever reason? I wish this story was more clear

[Hoki]

my theory is as follows:
its not a timeloop but rather a reset with branching timelines. observing an increasing amount of timelines is was causes the madness.

angel daugther is the timeline we play until the birdie festival. the golden bird ending of it though isnt part of the original timeline anymore. afaik the true ending mentiones how many times she also failed to bring father back hence my theory that originally father got killed by asbel when he kidnapped angel daugther.
Asbel taking over daughters body didnt kill her but forced her soul out of the body
which made mom recreate the state 5 years prior with a new daughter proxy. this recreation is flawed and falls apart over time hence the occurence of the degradation.
Asbel managed to get away from this reset hence lebsa is older that daughter. asbel keeps this knowledge a secret as he desires moms powers. one thing he didnt expect though was that angel daughters powers resides in her soul meaning he didnt get as much of an upgrade as he hoped for (otherwise it would be impossible for the human daughter to defeat lebsa who is stronger and more experienced)

overall the only thing the true ending adds is the return of mom. angel daughter always claims a new body and returns albeit younger than lebsa and daughter.

the replicated human daughter is incomplete in comparison to angel daughter (she's missing the original soul)

overall mom is safescumming with a modified safefile

[WinterSachi]

Originally posted by RedButterfly33:

Thanks for that, it explains some things especially about the tablet, I totally missed that. But how can there be twins if they're different ages? Lesba is older than Rose by quite a bit, and also they still have the same name? There was a mention of the dad's memory of the kidnapped daughter being erased, but surely Rose herself would remember having a sibling? Unless the mom erased it for whatever reason? I wish this story was more clear

Unfortunately, most of it is left to the player's imagination. Maybe they'll expand the story in future updates, we can only hope.
As for Lebsa's age, I believe during midgame (during Lebsa's feast in the family restaurant) Nina said that Lebsa is ~18/19-years-old. I don't know, maybe Asbel aged her body a bit with magic, or she looks older than she actually is, or something else is involved. I don't remember finding any hints about it.

[Hoki]

@wintersachi:

you have a data tab where all characters you met are featured with their likes and dislikes (as you find them). it also features their age.
so no need to go by what another character says.

in addition theres no way rebessa would be the same age as daugther and being an accomplished knight while the other just signed up.

[WinterSachi]

@Hoki, does it feature their age though? I believe the age data uncovers when you finish their romance and access the bonus room.

[Hoki]

wasnt checking when i posted and messed up horribly.

you are absolutly right as to where to see the data and for some reason i had monas data in mind.

edit:
you can see the basic information such as age ingame as well. its not locked behind romance

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988938500
only 3 runs in and therefore a limited amount of romance so far

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988938514
daughter is 15 in this screenshot - a 10 year difference in fact.

[WinterSachi]

Originally posted by Hoki:

wasnt checking when i posted and messed up horribly.

you are absolutly right as to where to see the data and for some reason i had monas data in mind.

edit:
you can see the basic information such as age ingame as well. its not locked behind romance

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988938500
only 3 runs in and therefore a limited amount of romance so far

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988938514
daughter is 15 in this screenshot - a 10 year difference in fact.

Oh, thanks! I've looked at my previous endgame save, and she's stated to be 28-years-old. Weird. I clearly remember Nina saying during the restaurant event that Lebsa is 17/18-years-old (midgame). Seems like the game's facts sometimes are all over the place.

[RedButterfly33]

Either way though, they aren't the same age. I replayed to get the Volcano Princess ending -- which I suppose it is the TRUE true ending? -- and in that one the daughter becomes a goddess and, I think, takes over for the mom. There is no mention of the angel daughter in that ending, so I think that implies more that WinterSachi was right about the mom splitting her daughter somehow. In that scene with the seeds, the mom is trying to figure out how to solve the problem, and she says something like the herbs keep sticking together, so then the dad comes in and separates them, so she likely gets the idea then -- separate the daughter(s).

So if they are twins--which I still think would be odd-- maybe it was a pattern that they both get kidnapped, or one is and the other is killed (you know, kill the spare like in Harry Potter). So she separated them, that way only one is seen by Asbel and taken away. Then she uses her time powers to just have the other one later, or she keeps the other one in stasis somehow to give Asbel enough time to do whatever and divert his interest to his new body (Lebsa didn't know Rose existed until she signed up for a knight). That keeps Rose safe until she's old enough to help Mom get Angel out of Lebsa's body.

The general plan, as far as I can tell, was to lure Lebsa into the forest, with Rose there too, and then extricate Angel from Lebsa's body. A body without a soul perishes in the forest, so that was the way to get rid of Absel without harming Angel.

It's a little confusing why Asbel doesn't count as being a soul, they say it's not him taking over Angel's body (which would have been nice and simple) but that it's his... desire... to become a god? So his *desire* is in Angel's body? Lebsa is clearly a separate personality form Angel, but also specifically not Absel because she states she doesn't have his memories, so what in the hell is she then?

The other theory is that they weren't twins but one girl, and Angel just says to Rose "You can think of me as your twin". Mom decided to separate the godly side from the human side of her daughter, splitting her in two. Angel is the one that Absel wants, since he's attracted to that power, and by separating Rose it means this attention is purely on Angel. He kidnaps her, and Mom waits a while before having the human child so it can grow up as a normal kid and that way can grow up and one day be unified again with her godly half. In the Volcano Princess ending, Rose and Angel are one being once again, and are taking over as goddess. This also makes more sense than twins because Rose would remember having a sister, she was five at the time they were separated. But if she was just born later, then she wouldn't have a memory of that. And, obviously, if they were the same person it would make sense they have the same name; twin sisters having the same name is just not a thing that happens

Otherwise, how is the purely human Rose a goddess? And where is Angel? In the ending she says she would need more time to create a body of her own, but Rose is an adult in the ending, and there's still no sign of her. That's why I'm more inclined to think that in the Volcano Goddess ending they became one and Rose reclaimed her godly half

[WinterSachi]

Woah, excellent analysis, RedButterfly33!
As I understand, Asbel just wants to be immortal and powerful. More powerful - the better. He doesn't have ambition to purposely become a god, he's just very selfish. During the early part of the game, before the first Birdie Festival, he says something along the line of seeing the sacred/lucky(?) bird and seeing the vision of himself young and strong again. Plus he tells something about this during the fight sequence in the late game if you go into true ending route.
As for Lebsa, I believe, it's Asbel but with slightly messed up memories. He basically transferred his soul into Angel daughter's body, and at that moment his old body has died. Maybe he has some sort of body dysmorphic disorder because you, being a man, can't just transfer your soul into young female body and remain the same psychologically. Plus he kind of shares the room with Angel daughter's soul, and it also affects his mind.

[RedButterfly33]

Something else I noticed — according to the in-game bios, when Rose is 16, Kenneth is 21. This means Kenneth is 5 years older than her. Kenneth went missing when he was 1 year old, and this was in the paper when Angel was 6. In the present, Lebsa is 26

Therefore:

Angel is 5 years older than Kenneth. Kenneth is 5 years older than Rose.

Checks out that the girl in the opening is Angel, as she is older than Kenneth, and confirms that she is about 10 years older than Rose.

[SkyKing]

Originally posted by RedButterfly33:

Something else I noticed — according to the in-game bios, when Rose is 16, Kenneth is 21. This means Kenneth is 5 years older than her. Kenneth went missing when he was 1 year old, and this was in the paper when Angel was 6. In the present, Lebsa is 26

Therefore:

Angel is 5 years older than Kenneth. Kenneth is 5 years older than Rose.

Checks out that the girl in the opening is Angel, as she is older than Kenneth, and confirms that she is about 10 years older than Rose.

The Intersting thing too is, when you meet Kenneth with 3 Hearts the first time he says we meet again what in my eyes implicates. that is the owl Princess controlls not the Time dircectly but more the Forest in this Time. The same goes for wuzhi when you meet her with the human form, then she says somehting that she not expectet to meet us in this World again. That means in my eyes that all People that what in the Forest during the recreation from the owl Princess, are not affectet by the memory-Erase. One Point too that implicates is the first big Conversation with lon where he says that he what 3 Days missing. 3 Days without water and food is the dead for a child what implicates that owl princess speedet up the time in the forest so that he can survive

[redscizor]

Originally posted by RedButterfly33:

Checks out that the girl in the opening is Angel, as she is older than Kenneth, and confirms that she is about 10 years older than Rose. [/spoiler]

Then Lebsa is a fusion between Angel and the Hero? Or only Possesion, Why the body (hair) is different that Rose?
Wait a minute, if the romance path is Lebsa then, Is incest or selfcest? Perturbadross
In the romantic events Lebsa is crazy and sometimes said that she want to kill Rose by despair/anger

About the bird flashback, was a past life, How both meet in this life, a different timeline? The father is broken he speaks with giants, spirits, etc, he isnt normal

[redscizor]

Finished the game several times and notice things, the endings would be:

Ending 1: You don't defeat the Owl Princess, they all go furry

Ending 2: You defeat the Owl Princess, the sister loses her body, Lebsa is prosecuted for her crimes

Ending 3: You defeat the Owl Princess and have a relationship with Lebsa, then by the power of love the influence of the knight goes away and you forgive Lebsa, Lebsa continues as Lord (northern ending) In this ending you will unlock full Lebsa's Gallery

[Billy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Y'all in this thread are a life saver. I got the true ending and had no idea what happened.