Age of Wonders 4

Age of Wonders 4

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NQ May 11, 2023 @ 10:51pm
Summoning skills are too strong
Having one extra body on the field means so much.
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Slaus May 25, 2023 @ 3:29am 
Indeed.
Or maybe it's just alternatives are way too weak: "Demon Step": teleport with 10 damage; "Frostfire Detonation": 30 damage, etc.
Summoned elemental deals ~30 damage per turn while blocking archers, absorbing damage, even maybe immobilizing targets, etc.
Game gets much easier when I can get to any summoning at level 5.
Janthis May 25, 2023 @ 3:32am 
The main issue imo is that you can get a tier III elemental or animal at hero level 5, which can make a big difference in early battles. If they moved it to level 10 or 15 it would not be as big a deal, since your own troops should be much stronger by then.

Then again, I don't want this to be one of those games where everything that's OP or fun gets nerfed in the name of "balance"...
Last edited by Janthis; May 25, 2023 @ 4:26am
rumpelstiltskin May 25, 2023 @ 4:15am 
summon undead is even better. it summons 3 units, which even inherit your racial mods (e.g. spawnkin). and 2-3 pikemen can bog down the enemy really well.
Azunai May 25, 2023 @ 4:35am 
The problem is that it's a tier 3 unit (or in the case of undead 3 tier 1 units). The skill would be a lot less OP if it just summoned a tier 1 animal (same as the wildspeaker from tome of beasts) or the lesser t1 form of the elementals. And just a single skeleton rather than 3 fir the undead skill.

Might still be worth picking just to get a few more HP on the field, but not as OP as they are now.
ACS36 May 25, 2023 @ 4:46am 
Yeah. Extra units on the field is always a big win for the player if they actually fight the battles. There isn't any good reason to take a non summoning skill on your heroes in most cases.
NQ May 25, 2023 @ 5:17am 
Originally posted by Azunai:
The problem is that it's a tier 3 unit (or in the case of undead 3 tier 1 units). The skill would be a lot less OP if it just summoned a tier 1 animal (same as the wildspeaker from tome of beasts) or the lesser t1 form of the elementals. And just a single skeleton rather than 3 fir the undead skill.

Might still be worth picking just to get a few more HP on the field, but not as OP as they are now.

I agree, I might still take the summon most of the time even if it's just a Tier 1 unit. A Tier 1 could withstand an attack turn from 2 units or maybe even 3 and they may get in some damage. I tested the summon build and with couple of damage dealers behind, the enemy often couldn't do damage to me.
CrUsHeR May 25, 2023 @ 6:33am 
Originally posted by NQ:
Having one extra body on the field means so much.

Yeah... or three extra bodies... which are skeletons and zombies getting all your race buffs and enchantments

Or finding that staff which generates an extra racial zombie each turn.... And then summon three undead on top
Last edited by CrUsHeR; May 25, 2023 @ 6:33am
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Date Posted: May 11, 2023 @ 10:51pm
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