Is it worth turning into angel?

[Zundamon at Arms]

Is it worth turning into angel? -4 resistance to poison and ice looks really painful, especially now with the Cthulhu dlc, these two enemies are very common

[Azunai]

The celestial form makes your troops immune to mind control, insanity etc though. Not to be underestimated. I found those control losd effects by far the most annoying aspect of fighting umbral monsters

[Zundamon at Arms]

Originally posted by Azunai:

The celestial form makes your troops immune to mind control, insanity etc though. Not to be underestimated. I found those control losd effects by far the most annoying aspect of fighting umbral monsters

Does that include insanity? The one where two troops kill each other when they're next to each other

[Pantagruel]

A lot of the major transforms suffer from large elemental weaknesses, it's just that the plusses generally make up for it. The big bonuses of angelic transformation are flight (which doesn't work with a mount, so a good idea to have athletics) and control loss immunity, inspiring killer and faithful are more 'nice to have'.

Control loss immunity blocks insanity, berserk, dominated, taunted, and a few other things that come up much less often.

[✧Starshadow Melody✧]

Yes.

[Humble]

It's can make up by couple minor race transformations like Steel Skin that gave Blight Resistance, Frostling Transformation help with that weakness and many more, of course big issues is look so you can turn it off vision in spell active book, that is only downside making your race look strange. I don't like look mess up, but angle wing look cool but only if right apply to faction, like Cantariel of Gilrad, (but she using a lance class and horse, I guess that might useless?)

Basic you can had 20 minor race transformations and one Major (if you play with free city of Umbral, if not, then 19 minor race transformations, and you can't had both of overstrong and spawnkin, so it's basic 21, but only 20 you can had. I think. At this point, I don't know about future DLC that add new transformation or rework for that matter.

[CrUsHeR]

Yeah it is good. Its advantages vastly outweigh the disadvantages.

But it is just the apex for a build which already carries itself. Order just feels vastly superior in regards to economy, vassals, and auto-resolve results. Angelkin or not.

Rally of the Lieges can be pretty insane when you build your empire around it.

[TirAsleen]

Originally posted by Lona at Arms:

Is it worth turning into angel? -4 resistance to poison and ice looks really painful, especially now with the Cthulhu dlc, these two enemies are very common

These Cthulhu freaks, like to use mind control a lot.

[Buwaro Elexion]

Originally posted by Humble:

Basic you can had 20 minor race transformations and one Major (if you play with free city of Umbral, if not, then 19 minor race transformations, and you can't had both of overstrong and spawnkin, so it's basic 21, but only 20 you can had. I think. At this point, I don't know about future DLC that add new transformation or rework for that matter.

you don't need the umbral dwelling if you have the umbral disciples trait

[SUPERBOB]

The best Major transformation cause :
"Flying Movement" (mobility on map & combat)
"Faithful", which reduces Unit Upkeep.
"CONTROL LOSS IMMUNITY" !!!!!!!!
and don't forget the "Decreased number of units in formation".

[Humble]

Originally posted by SUPERBOB:

The best Major transformation cause :
"Flying Movement" (mobility on map & combat)
"Faithful", which reduces Unit Upkeep.
"CONTROL LOSS IMMUNITY" !!!!!!!!
and don't forget the "Decreased number of units in formation".

I don't know decreased number of units in formation can be good thing, as it's might be weaker power/weaker attack, and easier killed off?

[Zoggy]

its usually better to have less units in formation later in the game- if taking damage -due to how the system penalties works.
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[TirAsleen]

Originally posted by SUPERBOB:

The best Major transformation cause :
"Flying Movement" (mobility on map & combat)
"Faithful", which reduces Unit Upkeep.
"CONTROL LOSS IMMUNITY" !!!!!!!!
and don't forget the "Decreased number of units in formation".

Demonkin is so much better, cause you get flying + increased damage and crit.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Humble:

I don't know decreased number of units in formation can be good thing, as it's might be weaker power/weaker attack, and easier killed off?

Units lose damage output proportional to the number of unit models killed.

So if a unit has 5 models, it only needs to lose 20% health to lose 20% damage.
And that is often already the case when getting touched by a single weak/moderate AOE.

If a unit has 2 models, it needs to lose 50% health to lose 50%.

And if it is a single entity unit - like heroes, knights, dragons and such - they never lose any damage at all based on their unit health. Which is why certain units are so much more useful than they seem by their raw stats.

It also means that for example Spawnkin has all your units lose damage much earlier. IIRC it also splits certain single entity units into two models.

Lastly, it means a multi-model unit with only model left can mostly be ignored except for the zone of control mechanic (blocking ranged units from firing and melee units from moving to another target).

Because the scaling is actually not linear; like the basic T1 infantry only does something like 9% of the nominal damage with a single model alive. And then it probably fumbles from low morale for 1 damage.

[Arthur two sheds Jackson]

mind control, insanity is the most annoying thing in this game so yeah its the best transformation for me haha

[Pantagruel]

Number of models is most significant at the low end. Over the range of 0-100% health, the mean damage is 50% + 50%/(max number of models), so a single figure entity is at 100%, two figures is 75%, three is 67%, etc. This is most important if you can reduce figures from 2 to 1 (and conversely, spawnkin is bad for single model entities like a warbreed but doesn't meaningfully hurt tier 1 units).