Desolate adaptation useless???

[Eccy]

I tried desolate adaptation for my Reaver build to counter bad spawn position and slightly deter opponents from invading my realm and I've found that'a a horrible idea.

1) Lava Chasms work even with Desolate Adaptation, giving you -5 city stability...???
2) No forests so you cannot plan lowering costs for buildings...??? (why not burned or cindered woods working with a forester or something?)

The idea itself is not finished or it works as intended and I just may not understand it.

Anyone could hop in to enlighten me or show me a different perspective?

[ethandestruct]

The devs might be working on Forests for desolate terrain. It something that was talked about around a bit before Primal Fury was launched. It was apparently delayed, though, so Idk when, we’ll get them.

[Eccy]

Originally posted by ethandestruct:

The devs might be working on Forests for desolate terrain. It something that was talked about around a bit before Primal Fury was launched. It was apparently delayed, though, so Idk when, we’ll get them.

Ok, thanks for the update

[unless specifically stated]

Originally posted by ethandestruct:

The devs might be working on Forests for desolate terrain. It something that was talked about around a bit before Primal Fury was launched. It was apparently delayed, though, so Idk when, we’ll get them.

Same with swamps, btw. There are no swampy forests (terraforming to swamp will destroy them). Why is this still a thing is beyond me, considering AoW3 had it.

[ethandestruct]

Originally posted by unless specifically stated:

Originally posted by ethandestruct:

The devs might be working on Forests for desolate terrain. It something that was talked about around a bit before Primal Fury was launched. It was apparently delayed, though, so Idk when, we’ll get them.

Same with swamps, btw. There are no swampy forests (terraforming to swamp will destroy them). Why is this still a thing is beyond me, considering AoW3 had it.

Or they’re actually working on Swamp forests too? That’s good to hear, since I only heard about Desolate getting them.

[Typha]

@Devs, any word on this? Thanks.

[Astasia]

The thing is, there are desert forests, they are palm trees. Desert adaption also deletes forests though. That's just how those spells work. You don't need adaption to build foresters though, if there's a forest there you can build a forester regardless of the terrain. The only thing terrain affects is whether you can build a farm on the tile, and that's what adaptation terraforming allows you to do, convert the tile to something you can build a farm on.

[Cindeerella]

Originally posted by Astasia:

The thing is, there are desert forests, they are palm trees. Desert adaption also deletes forests though. That's just how those spells work. You don't need adaption to build foresters though, if there's a forest there you can build a forester regardless of the terrain. The only thing terrain affects is whether you can build a farm on the tile, and that's what adaptation terraforming allows you to do, convert the tile to something you can build a farm on.

Yes, there are forests in desert and they count as forest and it allow you to build foresters near your capital when you start in desert (without casting terraforming spells). People actually haven’t touched desert at all in this discussion, why did you bring it here? It’s totally not related xD That’s the issue, swamps and desolate contain no forests so you can’t build foresters to boost stuff early game.

[Xerberus86]

Originally posted by unless specifically stated:

Originally posted by ethandestruct:

The devs might be working on Forests for desolate terrain. It something that was talked about around a bit before Primal Fury was launched. It was apparently delayed, though, so Idk when, we’ll get them.

Same with swamps, btw. There are no swampy forests (terraforming to swamp will destroy them). Why is this still a thing is beyond me, considering AoW3 had it.

its another game build from the ground up, just because previous game x had something doesn't automatically mean sequel has it.

[Midas]

Swamp isn't so bad at least because it's typically coastal and the adaptation puts you on a coast (if you have water), so you typically have mangrove trees to use. Desolate is pretty rough, though.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Bratty Doe:

People actually haven’t touched desert at all in this discussion, why did you bring it here?

A couple posts mentioned swamp adaptation deleting forests. It's not (only) because there are no swamp forests, it's because the swamp/desert/ice/desolate adaptations all delete forests regardless of if one existed or not. The point is adaptation traits don't do anything to help you build foresters and don't claim to. Ice/desert spawns regularly have no forests nearby, while forests do exist for them they aren't super common, and you run into the same "no foresters" problem with them as well. Luckily you can usually make foresters in the water or underground if you want the boost, or use special improvement foresters, but it's not the end of the world if you have none.

The lava morale issue the OP mentioned should maybe be addressed though. It's not something I noticed personally.