Expansion victory looks too slow.

[aclyte]

The questions is:

Are there ANY of your games where you reach expansion victory conditions (capture enough sectors) before magic victory condition (researching 3 seeds?).

I have none. In EVERY game i meet magic victory conditions maybe 30-40 turns faster than expansion. I got expansion victory only 1 time when i play expansionist and go for this type of victory directly (still magic victory was much faster).

So, the resume: maybe expansion victory condition should be lowered / altered to make them not so hard to archive and, maybe, not so boring (lower amount of sectors but raise, for example, city count (for example, total amount of cities + vassal cities is 7-10 based on map size))

[snuggleform]

Well the answer is yes I have had games where I reached expansion before magic, and the reason why this works is your allied territories counts towards that goal. If you do a good job of allying with a lot of people you will find that getting the requisite territories is quite natural. When I saw the "unifier" beacons activated I was like whoah I'm nowhere close to magic victory so I'll just do that instead thank you very much.

I'm not going to pretend this is always possible - some AIs based on their personality type simply won't ally with you, but to answer your questoin have I done it yup.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by aclyte:

Expansion victory looks too slow.
The questions is:

Are there ANY of your games where you reach expansion victory conditions (capture enough sectors) before magic victory condition (researching 3 seeds?).

I have none. In EVERY game i meet magic victory conditions maybe 30-40 turns faster than expansion. I got expansion victory only 1 time when i play expansionist and go for this type of victory directly (still magic victory was much faster).

So, the resume: maybe expansion victory condition should be lowered / altered to make them not so hard to archive and, maybe, not so boring (lower amount of sectors but raise, for example, city count (for example, total amount of cities + vassal cities is 7-10 based on map size))

Yes. Actually I think it is easier to get the Expansion Victory than the Magic Victory.

[Howell-Barrex Soldier Ja'kala]

Because expansion victory is based on map size the bigger the map the longer it will take to get it and the only time i got the beacons before my tier 5 tome was in a close 3 person match