Unjust war Imperium penalty too steep!! I'm Evil not a Simp!

[Hebrux]

So I lose 80% of my imperium if I declare war unjustly!? Even if I'm an even empire? What?

I'm evil so I don't care what weaker races think. I don't care if I settle in their "covetted" land. I'm evil and it's mine. That said, my majesty shouldn't be tied to how good of a team player I am.

[Livy]

And your rival put a city just beside your capital.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

Unjust war Imperium penalty too steep!
So I love 80% of my imperium if I declare war unjustly!? Even if I'm an even empire? What?

Why would you go for an unjustified war? The current penalty is not hard enough in my opinion and should increase proportional to the number of players.

[Noble Ten]

Yep, for my last game, this is what is has me considering if I should bench the game now, Rather than start a new game. It ruined my last game. Should I move on and cut my losses buying it :/ Was not fun not able to get imperium for my empire upgrades. Couldnt work towards a new city cap, or upgrades. I was just looking for a mod to move this? so it wont cut out my fun cause im handy capped.

The short story, a country aggressively pushed up land towards me so we borded, constantly started talking ♥♥♥♥ to me, and runnigs its army over my lands like cockroaches (also assembled a war party near one of my cities). Not even an option where I could tell them to get off my lawn!. So I declared war on them. Poof went my imperium and somehow I becaome very evil. Ignoring them and doing nothing about it would make me a bad ruler. Had let them talk smack for far too long, time for them to back it up. How was that unjust.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by Noble Ten:

Yep, for my last game, this is what is has me considering if I should bench the game now, Rather than start a new game. It ruined my last game. Should I move on and cut my losses buying it :/ Was not fun not able to get imperium for my empire upgrades. Couldnt work towards a new city cap, or upgrades. I was just looking for a mod to move this? so it wont cut out my fun cause im handy capped.

The short story, a country aggressively pushed up land towards me so we borded, constantly started talking ♥♥♥♥ to me, and runnigs its army over my lands like cockroaches (also assembled a war party near one of my cities). Not even an option where I could tell them to get off my lawn!. So I declared war on them. Poof went my imperium and somehow I becaome very evil. Ignoring them and doing nothing about it would make me a bad ruler. Had let them talk smack for far too long, time for them to back it up. How was that unjust.

Yeah I hope this is just growing pains and will eventually be patched cause it's ridiculous.
In my game, I'm evil but I can't project my majesty because I'm evil and don't follow the rules of the global order like respecting terretorial disputes lol, aint nobody got that for that

[Janthis]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

So I lose 80% of my imperium if I declare war unjustly!? Even if I'm an even empire? What?

I'm evil so I don't care what weaker races think. I don't care if I settle in their "covetted" land. I'm evil and it's mine. That said, my majesty shouldn't be tied to how good of a team player I am.

You think that's bad? I got pulled into declaring war by my "ally", got the imperium penalty for "unjust war", then basically fought the enemy alone as my ally just turtled and did basically nothing

[BigJ]

Atleast make sure it is not very unjust by fabricating+rivalry...

[MrLuckless]

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

Originally posted by Hebrux:

So I lose 80% of my imperium if I declare war unjustly!? Even if I'm an even empire? What?

I'm evil so I don't care what weaker races think. I don't care if I settle in their "covetted" land. I'm evil and it's mine. That said, my majesty shouldn't be tied to how good of a team player I am.

You think that's bad? I got pulled into declaring war by my "ally", got the imperium penalty for "unjust war", then basically fought the enemy alone as my ally just turtled and did basically nothing

It would be less of a problem if we could give basic directions to AI allies on what or where to attack. As it stands now, your teammates do nothing but take territory and drag you into wars you may not want to get into at that moment.

[Hebrux]

Yeah as an evil race, I shouldn't have to play by the rules of the non evil races. Isn't that the point of being evil?

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

Yeah as an evil race, I shouldn't have to play by the rules of the non evil races. Isn't that the point of being evil?

Been evil has consequences for not engaging with diplomacy.

[Motherball]

It’s so easy to get justification; You can even fabricate it. Go park a couple scouts on their border and they will start flinging insults. Also, there are mods and console commands to get more Imperium if the in-game events are not offering enough.

[Hebrux]

Originally posted by BigJ:

Originally posted by Hebrux:

Yeah as an evil race, I shouldn't have to play by the rules of the non evil races. Isn't that the point of being evil?

Been evil has consequences for not engaging with diplomacy.

So even though I have the most powerful military, economy, and science, my majesty should be tied to how nice I play with the other inferior races?

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Hebrux:

So even though I have the most powerful military, economy, and science, my majesty should be tied to how nice I play with the other inferior races?

Imperium is kinda of an abstract version of how well respected your Godir is and their accumulated diplomatic clout.

If you're a murdering tyrant and loon, it doesn't matter HOW many armies you have rampaging through the countryside - the local populace is going to grumble under their breaths about how nice it would be if a dragon landed on your head. ;)

[Janthis]

It would be fine and understandable if certain acts caused you to lose popularity with free cities / vassals (depending on alignment) and other leaders. But the Imperium penalty makes no sense. It's like the game is punishing you for being evil at that point.

If you're a murdering tyrant and loon, it doesn't matter HOW many armies you have rampaging through the countryside - the local populace is going to grumble under their breaths about how nice it would be if a dragon landed on your head. ;)

I doubt Sauron had to deal with loss of popularity and projects being stalled because his citizens saw the war as "unjust"...

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

I doubt Sauron had to deal with loss of popularity and projects being stalled because his citizens saw the war as "unjust"...

He had to deal with a fight against literally ALL the Free Races in a genocidal war that consumed the entirety of Middle-Earth.

(Also, completely different universe with different resource generation - not once did any ruler or commander in any of the LotR or Hobbit novels talk about the day-to-day costs of raising and feeding armies, for example). ;)

[Janthis]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

I doubt Sauron had to deal with loss of popularity and projects being stalled because his citizens saw the war as "unjust"...

He had to deal with a fight against literally ALL the Free Races in a genocidal war that consumed the entirety of Middle-Earth.

Yeah, and as I said, it would be fine here in the game if other leaders saw you as evil, etc. But this feels more like even if you're an evil tyrant, the game still punishes you if don't "play by the rules".