Thats not how siege works

[mundty]

one of the most basic steps necessary for a successful siege is "investment" which is is to surround the fortress/city so UNITS CANT GET IN AND OUT.
just watched a city I have under siege produce new units and move units in and out of the city

[DasaKamov]

Siege the city properly, then. Make sure you have forces on on all sides of the city so you don't leave the back door wide open for anyone to waltz in and out. :b

[KellyR]

Manual investment :D

[Terrkas]

But thats exactly how sieges work. If you dont have enough troops to fully blockade the city, your opponent can get reinforcements from outside.

All you have to do is research sieges a bit to see, that happens often enough.

Why do some people here think, that sieging the westwall of a place magically locks all entrances?

[darkholyPL]

One thing about sieges tho: when my city is under siege I can't do anything with it. I can't build and I can't train troops.
Then how come, when I siege an AI city, they can happily pop units in that city all day long?
Any reason for this, other than 'cheating AI'?

[MEATSHED]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

One thing about sieges tho: when my city is under siege I can't do anything with it. I can't build and I can't train troops.
Then how come, when I siege an AI city, they can happily pop units in that city all day long?
Any reason for this, other than 'cheating AI'?

You can train troops under siege (everything except draft income is halved though)

[Terrkas]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

One thing about sieges tho: when my city is under siege I can't do anything with it. I can't build and I can't train troops.
Then how come, when I siege an AI city, they can happily pop units in that city all day long?
Any reason for this, other than 'cheating AI'?

Easy, read the dev diary about sieges. Draft is still unrestricted. They just cant build more buildings and other income is halved.

Also materium has a skill unlock to get rid of penalties during a siege i think.

[darkholyPL]

Originally posted by MEATSHED:

You can train troops under siege (and build buildings I believe, everything except draft income is halved though)

Originally posted by Terrkas:

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

One thing about sieges tho: when my city is under siege I can't do anything with it. I can't build and I can't train troops.
Then how come, when I siege an AI city, they can happily pop units in that city all day long?
Any reason for this, other than 'cheating AI'?

Easy, read the dev diary about sieges. Draft is still unrestricted. They just cant build more buildings and other income is halved.

Also materium has a skill unlock to get rid of penalties during a siege i think.

I see.
I could have sworn I couldn't do anything in my own city when it was under siege, but maybe I'm missremembering. It doesn't happen all that often vs AI.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

Then how come, when I siege an AI city, they can happily pop units in that city all day long?

In addition to what the others said, there are also Summoning spells. There are other branches besides Materium in the Empire Development tree that full-on spawn entire armies in the Capital (and they're equally as accessible to players as they are to AI).

[yuzhonglu]

Originally posted by mundty:

one of the most basic steps necessary for a successful siege is "investment" which is is to surround the fortress/city so UNITS CANT GET IN AND OUT.
just watched a city I have under siege produce new units and move units in and out of the city

But this is how sieges worked in real life. Reinforcements regularly got in and out of a sieged city.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

In some cases, besieged cities were able to receive reinforcements from outside sources. These reinforcements could come in the form of additional troops, supplies, or even relief armies sent to break the siege.

The ability to receive reinforcements often depended on the communication and transportation infrasturcture available at the time. If the besieged city had access to reliable communication networks and if allies or friendly forces were nearby, there was a greater chance of receiving reinforcements. I would love a system in AOW just like this.

On the other hand, there were also instances where besieged cities became completely closed off and isolated. This could occur when the besieging forces effectively cut off all outside contact and supply lines, making it extremely difficult for the besieged city to receive any form of reinforcement. The isolation of a besieged city could be intentional on the part of the besieging forces, aiming to starve or weaken the defenders through attrition.

So in general you can effectively cut off any reinforcement in AOW, but i would also suggest that the besieged player should have some effort involved to make the reinforcement possible. Now it is just a given,

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

Originally posted by mundty:

one of the most basic steps necessary for a successful siege is "investment" which is is to surround the fortress/city so UNITS CANT GET IN AND OUT.
just watched a city I have under siege produce new units and move units in and out of the city

But this is how sieges worked in real life. Reinforcements regularly got in and out of a sieged city.

Not if they were properly surrounded. And few Generals in history were dumb enough not to make sure a city was properly surrounded so no one could escape.

[Chthonic Guardian]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Siege the city properly, then. Make sure you have forces on on all sides of the city so you don't leave the back door wide open for anyone to waltz in and out. :b

LOL!
So how many 6 unit stacks do you need to have to completely surround a city?
no other game has ever allowed troops to come in and out of a sieged city unless it was on water or something where they could leave on boats.

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by ⎝Apostate⎠:

In some cases, besieged cities were able to receive reinforcements from outside sources. These reinforcements could come in the form of additional troops, supplies, or even relief armies sent to break the siege.

The ability to receive reinforcements often depended on the communication and transportation infrasturcture available at the time. If the besieged city had access to reliable communication networks and if allies or friendly forces were nearby, there was a greater chance of receiving reinforcements. I would love a system in AOW just like this.

Where are you getting this from?

You guys say this then place NO actual historical references.
In MOST sieges historically, NO reinforcements got in or out unless they fought in or out or were relieved.

[Dverka]

Originally posted by darkholyPL:

Originally posted by MEATSHED:

You can train troops under siege (and build buildings I believe, everything except draft income is halved though)

Originally posted by Terrkas:

Easy, read the dev diary about sieges. Draft is still unrestricted. They just cant build more buildings and other income is halved.

Also materium has a skill unlock to get rid of penalties during a siege i think.

I see.
I could have sworn I couldn't do anything in my own city when it was under siege, but maybe I'm missremembering. It doesn't happen all that often vs AI.

Not only you. when my city was besieged in the third scenario by a neutral city, all I saw when I entered the city control screen was a sign with a countdown to breaking through the walls as in my own siege. Mb that was a bag...

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

So how many 6 unit stacks do you need to have to completely surround a city?

I know you think you've "caught" me, but really, you don't need more than 3 or 4. You just need to see an enemy army approaching and intercept it before it actually gets into the city.