Basically Endless Legend

[Faati]

Hey everyone,

Small pondering here. Love these kinds of games and played several hours already of AoW4 now, but something has been bugging me:

It's basically Endless legend.

From the city upgrades, to the resources for each city to even the battles. Apart from the looks, its almost exactly the same game. Endless Legend has better distinction between map vs units and points of interest (i sometimes can't see in one glance whats going on in AoW4) I dare even to say Endless Legend is better if you count all the expansions.

I'm not sure, but it's been bothering me. It's great to play solo, but with other players you really feel the slog. In EL this is way faster because the empires expand way faster.

I do really love the magic tomes and their distinctions. Also the race creator is more fun than EL, with the customization options etc.

A bit of ranting, but would love to hear from other AoW4 or EL players what they think on it. Maybe with a few expansion it's on par, but i don't think it will get any faster (or it has to get a faster mode for pvp)

[MikeymajQ]

"...way faster because the empires expand way faster."
You can set the speed at with cities grow, research etc in the game options when you start a new world. :)

[mmszoli]

Age of Wonders is a way older series than Endless Legend

[El Rey de Pinguinos]

I think the city upgrades and resources are just a direction 4X is moving in as a genre, as are a few other similarities - the Free Cities vs the... minor races? - in EL for example, because having interesting not-quite-players on the map is fun.

That said, as someone who hated EL for its combat - I genuinely do not understand where you're getting the idea that the battles are the same. Even before the touching on the insane difference in unit variety.

[Terrkas]

I never really got warm with endless legends. At first glance its sci-fantasy aow. It was fun to play once with the vaulters, but nothing special in the game. I only really was interested in the battles and unitvariety is quite lackluster there.

[leonardonabreu]

There are similarities, maybe a little more than when compared to average turn-based 4x.
But the same? No. If you said it is a mix of Endless Legend with Humankind with Fallen Enchantress I’d agree, but by then is a distinct enough game of any of the three.

[blackhand_lost]

Decided to try out Bible, love these kind of books. Enjoy the reading so far, but something has been bugging me:

It's basically Silmarillion.

The God is basically Eru Iluvatar, and he creates everything, and the angels are like Ainur, and then there's that fallen evil guy Lucifer who's essentially Morgoth.

I'm not sure, but it's been bothering me. It's great to pray solo, but with all those churches, priests and masses you really feel the slog. Tolkienists are much more laid back people and they have cookies.

[Fuinril]

Originally posted by Benkei Kuruma:

To me this game is most similar to Fallen Enchantress, oddly enough. Like if I had to pick something it "feels" most like, it'd be that game, even more than previous Age of Wonders games.

I agree. And that's not a good thing at all. Comparing it to endless legend would be comparing honey and poop. At least comparing it with FE let it fights in its own category.


As for comparing it with previous iterations... I'll just keep it civil and say ---

[oddball]

Endless Legend is pretty trash, so I'd consider that at least a minor difference.

[Beje]

I got the same feeling, but in a positive way. For me this is a better Endless Legend. I'm still rather bummed they decided to make a sub-par civ clone with Humankind and dropped all the amazing lore and factions they had in EL but oh well, at least this game fills that void for me now. And cmmon, nostalgia glasses aside, can you really compare the abysmal combat from EL with this one? They're miles apart, AoW has a much better combat system in my opinion.

[Fuinril]

Originally posted by moca loca:

Endless Legend is pretty trash, so I'd consider that at least a minor difference.

If you do not mind to explain a bit. Like EL is objectively very good if a bit hard to get into it, everything is done right except for fights and if you played it a bit you'll realize that's for the good reasons.

I did not play EL that much cause it didn't grasp me... One of the reason was I expected an AoW2 like... But I have very fond memory of it and never ever heard about anyone considering it "trash", so I'm pretty curious....

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Fuinril:

Originally posted by moca loca:

Endless Legend is pretty trash, so I'd consider that at least a minor difference.

If you do not mind to explain a bit. Like EL is objectively very good if a bit hard to get into it, everything is done right except for fights and if you played it a bit you'll realize that's for the good reasons.

I did not play EL that much cause it didn't grasp me... One of the reason was I expected an AoW2 like... But I have very fond memory of it and never ever heard about anyone considering it "trash", so I'm pretty curious....

I really love EL.

But to be fair, it falls into the same pitfalls that Civ tends to have. For most people at most difficulties it's a fine and fun game, but when you really get into it, the specific demands of infrastructure/improvement/city placement are very rigid, stale, and ultimately nothing but rote and boring tedium.

It's fun at difficulties where you can play around and experiment with all sorts of different things and play your civilization how you want to play it. But you quickly realize how rigid and unforgiving optimal structure placement becomes at higher difficulties.

[leonardonabreu]

I do like Endless Legend, Fallen Enchantress and even Humankind. Well, I even have fond memories of Call to Power, which makes me some kind of 4x heretic philistine for many people.
I think I will enjoy AW4 once I get past the graphic crashes in manual combat, will later today test the new beta.

[BulkySplash169]

I agree there are some similarities. Personally, Endless Legend is/was probably my favorite 4X game overall, with the weakest part being the combat. This is much better in AOW4, obviously. As I see it, I am happy I can choose between 2 good fantasy 4X games to play now. :-) For people bashing Endless Legend, try with the community patch (ELCP). It addresses a lot of the shortcomings of the vanilla game and makes the AI play much better.

[waggly dongers]

Originally posted by blackhand_lost:

Decided to try out Bible, love these kind of books. Enjoy the reading so far, but something has been bugging me:

It's basically Silmarillion.

The God is basically Eru Iluvatar, and he creates everything, and the angels are like Ainur, and then there's that fallen evil guy Lucifer who's essentially Morgoth.

I'm not sure, but it's been bothering me. It's great to pray solo, but with all those churches, priests and masses you really feel the slog. Tolkienists are much more laid back people and they have cookies.

Amazing comment

[Terrkas]

Originally posted by Fuinril:

Originally posted by Benkei Kuruma:

To me this game is most similar to Fallen Enchantress, oddly enough. Like if I had to pick something it "feels" most like, it'd be that game, even more than previous Age of Wonders games.

I agree. And that's not a good thing at all. Comparing it to endless legend would be comparing honey and poop. At least comparing it with FE let it fights in its own category.


As for comparing it with previous iterations... I'll just keep it civil and say ---

I mean we all know endless legend isnt great, but calling it poop is a bit harsh.