Why in the world.....

[steelmidnight]

Would two handed weapons (like spears and lances) disable mount options? Yes, they need to hold the reins, BUT even in the real world, there were soldiers who trained using great weapons from horseback.

I see no reason for this to be implented. It doesnt really mess with balance or anything. Does this bug anyone else? I know its a minor nitpick in an otherwise superb game, but for those who like the really cool mounts you can find, it disables most of the better weapons you get if you want to use any of them.....And in this game, you need every edge you can get.....

[SBA77]

Probably because none of the races or cultures are based on Asian civilizations[www.the-ninth-age.com]

Also :

Originally posted by steelmidnight:

Would two handed weapons (like spears and lances) disable mount options?

Lances are the only two handed that can still be equipped while mounted, and why they are so desirable.

[Raelic]

One of the achievements I'm struggling with is equipping an item in every slot because of a lot of this nonsense equipment exclusivity.

No heavy leg armor either for mounts. Which is dumb.

[The Former]

Weight. Also reins. As you say, it's not like they never worked, but it wasn't the norm for good reason. Do lances really disable mounts though? That seems contradictory. Lances were couched in one arm, so the reins weren't an issue, and indeed the whole point of a lance was to deliver the weight of an animal's charge on a fine point.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by steelmidnight:

BUT even in the real world, there were soldiers who trained using great weapons from horseback

Nah dude, in the real world those soldiers are garbage and ineffective.

I'm sure people have tried it before, but it's never been worthwhile. It works in the game for both balance and realism, so I don't see what your complaint is. If you want 2Hers to be able to mount, then you have to nerf 2H damage.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by steelmidnight:

BUT even in the real world, there were soldiers who trained using great weapons from horseback

Nah dude, in the real world those soldiers are garbage and ineffective.

I'm sure people have tried it before, but it's never been worthwhile. It works in the game for both balance and realism, so I don't see what your complaint is. If you want 2Hers to be able to mount, then you have to nerf 2H damage.

Guan Yu would like a word with you.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Nah dude, in the real world those soldiers are garbage and ineffective.

I'm sure people have tried it before, but it's never been worthwhile. It works in the game for both balance and realism, so I don't see what your complaint is. If you want 2Hers to be able to mount, then you have to nerf 2H damage.

Guan Yu would like a word with you.

Which fictional version of Guan Yu are you talking about? Dynasty Warriors is not a good source for historical information.

[The Former]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Guan Yu would like a word with you.

Which fictional version of Guan Yu are you talking about? Dynasty Warriors is not a good source for historical information.

Neither, I'm talking about Guan Yunchang, the documented military commander serving Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms era. IE...

The authoritative historical source on Guan Yu's life is the Records of the Three Kingdoms (Sanguozhi) written by Chen Shou in the third century. During the fifth century, Pei Songzhi annotated the Sanguozhi by incorporating information from other sources to Chen Shou's original work and adding his personal comments. Some alternative texts used in the annotations to Guan Yu's biography include: Shu Ji (Records of Shu), by Wang Yin; Wei Shu (Book of Wei), by Wang Chen, Xun Yi and Ruan Ji; Jiang Biao Zhuan, by Yu Pu; Fu Zi, by Fu Xuan; Dianlue, by Yu Huan; Wu Li (History of Wu), by Hu Chong; and Chronicles of Huayang, by Chang Qu.

Of course the matter of him actually wielding the Qinglong Yanyuedao was mostly spoken in jest, but the man himself was definitely a historical figure.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Which fictional version of Guan Yu are you talking about? Dynasty Warriors is not a good source for historical information.

Neither, I'm talking about Guan Yunchang, the documented military commander serving Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms era. IE...

The authoritative historical source on Guan Yu's life is the Records of the Three Kingdoms (Sanguozhi) written by Chen Shou in the third century. During the fifth century, Pei Songzhi annotated the Sanguozhi by incorporating information from other sources to Chen Shou's original work and adding his personal comments. Some alternative texts used in the annotations to Guan Yu's biography include: Shu Ji (Records of Shu), by Wang Yin; Wei Shu (Book of Wei), by Wang Chen, Xun Yi and Ruan Ji; Jiang Biao Zhuan, by Yu Pu; Fu Zi, by Fu Xuan; Dianlue, by Yu Huan; Wu Li (History of Wu), by Hu Chong; and Chronicles of Huayang, by Chang Qu.

Of course the matter of him actually wielding the Qinglong Yanyuedao was mostly spoken in jest, but the man himself was definitely a historical figure.

Yeah, we agree he was a historical figure.

A historical figure who didn't wield 2h weapons from horseback.

[The Former]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kiJrSC7SU

Putting this to bed, it's not that a horse can't be controlled without the reins. In bursts, a skilled rider can use his legs and body weight to steer a well trained horse. The issue is that shifting your weight when you swing affects the horse's movement.

That and the fact that you're wielding a heavy two-handed weapon entirely with your upper body, which would quickly get exhausting. At least for everyone but orcs and dwarves.

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Neither, I'm talking about Guan Yunchang, the documented military commander serving Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms era. IE...



Of course the matter of him actually wielding the Qinglong Yanyuedao was mostly spoken in jest, but the man himself was definitely a historical figure.

Yeah, we agree he was a historical figure.

A historical figure who didn't wield 2h weapons from horseback.

Then we have full accord. :) Or at the very least, there's no documentation I'm aware of that he did.

[Raelic]

Age of Wonders isn't real.

A lot of fantasies have two handed mounted combat.

The staves also prevent horseback. Which is ridiculous as well, in a fantasy game.

And there even non-fiction has heavy armored cavalry. So why can't you have heavy leg armor on horseback? Some cavalry historically even had the front of the leg armor on their tack or saddle.

[SBA77]

Originally posted by Raelic:

Age of Wonders isn't real.

A lot of fantasies have two handed mounted combat.

The staves also prevent horseback. Which is ridiculous as well, in a fantasy game.

And there even non-fiction has heavy armored cavalry. So why can't you have heavy leg armor on horseback? Some cavalry historically even had the front of the leg armor on their tack or saddle.

Well maybe the devs wanted it to be more realistic. There's nothing wrong with that, in fiction it's the writers' prerogative to make their setting as realistic as they please.

But seriously it's probably for balance or maybe they thought that giving your hero two-handed weapons should have a cost, that cost being the loss of a mount, unless you get your hands on a specific relatively rare kind of weapon.

[Sifer2]

Probably it's a balance thing. Two Handed weapons tend to do more up front damage in one hit. Instead of spreading it out over 3 hits. Which means you can move them without sacrificing damage. So maybe they thought it was broken to have the movement buff from a mount on top of that.

[TyCobb]

I'm fine with the mount not being used in battle, but I really wish I could use them on the world map.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Lockfågel, Paradoxriddaren:

Then we have full accord. :)

Good to see you recant and backpedal into agreeing with me. Glad we got there together.

[camelotcrusade]

Originally posted by Raelic:

Age of Wonders isn't real.

A lot of fantasies have two handed mounted combat.

The staves also prevent horseback. Which is ridiculous as well, in a fantasy game.

And there even non-fiction has heavy armored cavalry. So why can't you have heavy leg armor on horseback? Some cavalry historically even had the front of the leg armor on their tack or saddle.

100% agree. I don't like having all this equipment I can't use because of limitations. In most fantasy games, the tradeoff is between good stuff you get and good stuff you already *have*. Otherwise getting loot isn't very fun. It's more fun when you get to agonize over all the too-good stuff you earned in all those tough fights.