How do you release/replace a hero once the enemy has killed him?

[Amel]

I lost 2 of my heroes in a battle and now they are dead in some crypt but my hero count still says 5/5, how do i get rid of them so i can recruit new ones?

[iFrame]

Looking for the answers too.
I've gotten into situations where heroes are in my opponent's prison or crypt but the hero slot doesn't vacate. Can't negotiate release for imprisoned heroes, and dead ones can't be resurrected. AI just permanently hostage heroes dead or alive.

[Midas]

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

[Flufficuss]

Same problem. I have 3 heroes and my ruler active, but my hero limit is 5/5. Severely limits my options in frustrating ways, and my cities are going without governors, but sure enough, hire a new one, and hello -30 gold penalty.

[iFrame]

Originally posted by Midas:

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

The punishment has and always have been losing their gear as per previous iterations of AoW. That is a punishing enough penalty.

I'm inclined to believe this was an oversight and devs forgot to implement something for it or its bugged. Or the mechanism is there but too obscure for us to find.

Heroes are much more important in AoW4 than in previous AoW games. You need it for sieges, ancient wonders, governing etc. Losing them without the ability to get a replacement will severely gimp the player.

Whats the point of heros and their levels when losing the hero slot is permanent and players are forced to hide heroes in their throne cities?

[Midas]

Originally posted by iFrame:

Originally posted by Midas:

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

The punishment has and always have been losing their gear as per previous iterations of AoW. That is a punishing enough penalty.
I'm inclined to believe this was an oversight and devs forgot to implement something for it or its bugged.
Heroes are much more important in AoW4 than in previous AoW games. You need it for sieges, ancient wonders, governing etc. Losing them without the ability to get a replacement will severely gimp the player.
Whats the point of heros and their levels when losing the hero slot is permanent and players are forced to hide heroes in their throne cities?

I don't think they would have added imprisoning at all if it wasn't meant to have an impact. Between stuff like this and the healing changes there is definitely a consistent theme in AoW4 about the price of attrition and being able to grind down another faction through more ways than just constant combat.

but I agree, there should be some option to abandon your hero. Your people should hate it, it should be a morale hit, but you should be allowed to make those 'difficult decisions'.

[何]

you build a wizards tower, with a wizards crypt. and res your heros.

[Astasia]

Soon as a hero dies it frees up the hero slot, it doesn't matter who has the remains. You can revive them if you want if you have the remains, or you can leave them dead and hire a new hero for that slot. Sometimes heroes flee when defeated, they will show up at one of your cities several turns later, "missing heroes" like that still count toward your hero limit.

I'm fairly certain captured heroes don't count against your limit either, but I'm not 100% on that one.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Soon as a hero dies it frees up the hero slot, it doesn't matter who has the remains. You can revive them if you want if you have the remains, or you can leave them dead and hire a new hero for that slot. Sometimes heroes flee when defeated, they will show up at one of your cities several turns later, "missing heroes" like that still count toward your hero limit.

I'm fairly certain captured heroes don't count against your limit either, but I'm not 100% on that one.

I think they're talking about our heroes, not the AI's heroes that we can put in our prison and crypt.

[John Morgan]

Originally posted by Midas:

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

Maybe a large hit to city stability, especially if they are a governor.

[Midas]

Originally posted by John Morgan:

Originally posted by Midas:

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

Maybe a large hit to city stability, especially if they are a governor.

That would fit, especially because if you're Dark culture, they don't care, and casually discarding your 'failed' heroes to replace them would definitely fit Dark culture.

[jephrey64]

Originally posted by iFrame:

Originally posted by Midas:

I think that's supposed to be the point. They can hold your heroes hostage to put you at a disadvantage. Though, that said, you should be allowed to abandon them, though probably at some kind of penalty.

The punishment has and always have been losing their gear as per previous iterations of AoW. That is a punishing enough penalty.

I'm inclined to believe this was an oversight and devs forgot to implement something for it or its bugged. Or the mechanism is there but too obscure for us to find.

Heroes are much more important in AoW4 than in previous AoW games. You need it for sieges, ancient wonders, governing etc. Losing them without the ability to get a replacement will severely gimp the player.

Whats the point of heros and their levels when losing the hero slot is permanent and players are forced to hide heroes in their throne cities?

That's possible. On the other hand, if they didn't count toward your total, and then the AI released them, you could instantly be over-burdened with heroes. It would help to know what the devs' intention was.

[chronoss2008]

Originally posted by Amel:

I lost 2 of my heroes in a battle and now they are dead in some crypt but my hero count still says 5/5, how do i get rid of them so i can recruit new ones?

if you had a recall tower he comes back after a set number a turns

[jephrey64]

Originally posted by chronoss2008:

Originally posted by Amel:

I lost 2 of my heroes in a battle and now they are dead in some crypt but my hero count still says 5/5, how do i get rid of them so i can recruit new ones?

if you had a recall tower he comes back after a set number a turns

They teleport out of the enemy prison and return, artifacts in hand? Can anyone confirm this?

[Ruinous]

Build a crypt at your capital, click on the 'hero overview' icon top left. Click on the crypt tab, click on your dead hero, should be listed here, and at the bottom of the list should be Resurrect button. Click on that and pay the mana to bring your hero back, with equipment.

This option wasn't available in my captured cities which already had crypts, needed a crypt at the capital.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Caz:

Originally posted by Astasia:

Soon as a hero dies it frees up the hero slot, it doesn't matter who has the remains. You can revive them if you want if you have the remains, or you can leave them dead and hire a new hero for that slot. Sometimes heroes flee when defeated, they will show up at one of your cities several turns later, "missing heroes" like that still count toward your hero limit.

I'm fairly certain captured heroes don't count against your limit either, but I'm not 100% on that one.

I think they're talking about our heroes, not the AI's heroes that we can put in our prison and crypt.

I am aware. If you are at 5/5 heroes and two of them die you instantly drop to 3/5, then the game will pester you every turn to review hero join offers since you are under the hero cap even when you are intentionally waiting to get enough mana to revive them. If they are dead they don't take up a slot, whether you have the body or not, whether you are capable of reviving them or not.