CPU running extremely hot

[bshock]

I have a Ryzen 9 4900HS processor and even with boost disabled it's running at 90C. Never had a game run that hot before. My GPU is only at 83, which is a bit hot (I'm on a laptop,) but something is not right here.

[Vantose]

Only other game that over heats my computer like this has been battle tech.

[roshok]

@Dagobert

Well that was a weird response? I try to give a rational answer. Your PC won't perform an emergency shutdown due to CPU temperatures. When the CPU hits its Tjunction max temperature (which is usually 100°, e.g. for 10700k) it just starts throttling the performance.

You either hitting this cap or coming close to it means only one thing: You need to fix your setup and CPU cooling (+ xD). (setup := fan configuration, case airflow, OC configuration) (CPU cooling := thermal paste, fan curve, dust w/e). A proper setup can run Prime95 without hitting that temperature EVER.

This also isn't a matter of opinion. Your CPU reaching 100° under load is a clear fault in your configuration which needs fixing.

[Fortuna]

Two issues:

1) Your computer should never melt down. That is on you.
2) This game should not be using this kind of computing power to idle. It is wasteful and will end up causing damage. That is on the developer.

[Shadow]

While ideally software should not only use hardware resources fully but efficiently as well, software is ultimately not responsible for inadequate hardware configuration/cooling.

Software will never tax hardware beyond the latter's safe specifications if the setup is correctly configured and cooled.

A game like this is ultimately more optimized than those which fail both in using resources fully and efficiently (i.e. 50-60% usage and subpar performance). And those are often the norm.

[kegomatix]

I'm still shaking my head at every person that thinks this game specifically is causing their CPU to run hot.....

Sure, the argument can be made that it's using more CPU than it should, but it will NOT run your CPU any hotter than any other program of the same utilization will. That is just not how these things work.

I will reiterate, for everyone who thinks this game specifically is overheating your CPU, download and run Cinebench r23. If your CPU gets too hot from that and throttles then your system cooling is not sufficient. If your rig cannot run a sustained 100% load on any component without overheating, it's not well cooled.

[TyCobb]

Origineel geplaatst door kegomatix:

I'm still shaking my head at every person that thinks this game specifically is causing their CPU to run hot.....

Sure, the argument can be made that it's using more CPU than it should, but it will NOT run your CPU any hotter than any other program of the same utilization will. That is just not how these things work.

I will reiterate, for everyone who thinks this game specifically is overheating your CPU, download and run Cinebench r23. If your CPU gets too hot from that and throttles then your system cooling is not sufficient. If your rig cannot run a sustained 100% load on any component without overheating, it's not well cooled.

Specifically this part:

"If your CPU gets too hot from that and throttles then your system cooling is not sufficient."

That's where I think misconceptions are happening on your side too. Motherboards are designed to throw as much power at a CPU as the CPU wants and CPUs are designed to ask for as much power as it thinks it needs. The problem is that by default some motherboards don't have a limit at how much power it is willing to supply the CPU and for how long. In those cases, the CPUs will quickly fire up to their cap (100*C for mine) and then start throttling down to keep the temperature from going over that max. AMD CPUs especially will try and ramp up the power and temp until it can't anymore to meet the speed on the box.

Ignoring cooling itself because I don't care nor do I have an actual cooling issue -- based on everything I said in the previous paragraph, there is a sweet spot of using less power, having lower temp, never throttling, and actually being faster running at 85*C than 100*C. Today's CPUs are not about overclocking the hell out of them -- they all are willing to overclock themselves if they see the temp is happy and the power allows it. This is why people are spotting it easier now. The CPU is kicking into high gear right off the bat because it wants to boost through something not realizing that this isn't a short process, it's a game that people are going to be running for several hours and also a game that is willing to use half or more of your cores which is a TON of heat and power and extra throttling.

To find the sweet spot like I did a couple of months ago when I built this machine, you can just download Prime95, run it, watch it rip and run to 100*C and watch your CPU throttle. No matter what, you'll be at 100*C forever, but your CPU clock speed will probably be thrashing all over the place or be a full GHz (or more) lower across all your cores. If you have a motherboard that lets you control your PL1 and PL2 power limits, you can keep adjusting down from where it's set at and rerun Prime95.

On my i9-13900K, I am running PL1 @ 200W and PL2 @255W with a 420mm AIO Radiator. Doing that allowed my machine to run Prime95 at 85*C or 90*C (I can't remember) indefinitely and allowed my CPU to never throttle. Instead of out of the box the machine wanting to be 100*C and throttle to 4GHz, It runs lower and at full normal speed of 5GHz.

Now with all of that said, I still stand by my initial statement that this game is using too many resources than what's actually needed.

[Nandus]

Well, I have become active, and checked / changed some things:

- renewed CPU termal paste
- meticulously cleaned CPU cooler (Dark Rock 4 pro), now there is less dust on it than in a dust free room
- Built in an additional chassis fan (120 mm)
- opened chassis
- room temp between 20-22 degrees C

After that I gained aproximately 5-6 deg lower temps

AND: I also started to undervolt CPU a bit, which was the gamechanger. Sure, Cinebench now shows 3,5% performance loss, but no overheating during AOW4 anymore, even in larger battles with 6 armies, all settings to maximum (including shadows), temps are at 78 degrees max, approx. 20-25 dergress lower. Everything fine so far.

BUT: I am playing with this CPU now for 3 years, and still I can say that no other game, especially no 4X game until now exeeded temp limit // had a long time 100% CPU usage. This still is wierd and needs to be optimized by developers, especially when you look at all those mulitple discussions here wthe dozens of users having similar problems.

[darkholyPL]

Ok laptops aside, some of you running desktops must have a really bad case air flow.
Im running a pretty small cooler on my R5 3600 and it never reaches 70C. If I didn't cheap out of the cooler, I bet I could get it to run at about 60C max (run out of money making my build lol).

Do this to test your setup on a desktop: pull the side panel OFF, and run the game then. Oh and obviously blow the dust out first.
If it's still running hot then, repaste your cpu.

[Nev Nev]

It should be hot and at 100% in today's strategy titles. For several years now other strategy games have been using EVERY thread your CPU has. So if you have 16 cores and 32 threads, it's using all of that in the game for the best A.I., and of course faster turns, but MOSTLY better A.I.

If Age of Wonders 4 isn't doing that, then it's way behind the times.

Origineel geplaatst door Sea Base:

Origineel geplaatst door Dreepa:

That's a good thing. It means the CPU is being used to it's full potential.

Now to the bad thing: Your cooling solution.

Underrated comment right here.

The shear amount of off the shelf gaming pcs and home builds who dont actually properly consider cooling when under high and max load really is an issue. It's a little more complicated than just slapping a liquid cooling set up and calling it done for today.

Could this particular game be better optimised and thus reduce the performance requirement? Sure, but that ain't gonna fix your fundamental problem that your pc ain't built with a cooling system appropriate to get the most out of it.

Pffff, water cooling is for newbs and followers of youtube losers. I have a 5950x on an all core to 4.9 with just air. I didn't even care to try to get it higher, I just stopped there. I do have a modified Disney princess computer case I did, but still.

[Klutch]

Its simply not the game.

On the other hand, it isn't always the builder. Sometimes its Microsoft and the evil empire themself, you guys have lost touch with your machines.

I feel sad. I leave a single tear drop for you all to share.

[Lord Haart]

Salty

[Nandus]

I smell mockery and sarcasm in the air

[Madstone]

CPU usage is high but GPU is not that compatible high, must have some problems in between, when CPU usage is around 50%, GPU should not only be used for 54%, why not fully occupied, I am curious....

[TheCr33pur]

Told you guys that will run HOT on your cpu, depending on the settings and your gpu+cpu setup. So gonna need good cooling system for that, otherwise prepare for alot of CTD's. Btw do not OC your cpu, not worth it!

I played it for a bit and realized, it get really hot and using i7-10th generation intel cpu and just upgrade it to i9-11th generation. Doesnt matter, gonna get hot one way or the others. I refunded this game, cause didnt have world size when making a new game, all static and look like tiny/small map and sadly there is no campaign in there either.

I have a few games that get the rig hot, one is No Man's Sky and few others is mild to this one.

Gonna wait awhile to see how this progress, it does need some adjustments and more features in the game.

Origineel geplaatst door Madstone:

CPU usage is high but GPU is not that compatible high, must have some problems in between, when CPU usage is around 50%, GPU should not only be used for 54%, why not fully occupied, I am curious....

Almost all Paradox games does that. Not sure what engine they have been using but i know have something to do with Unreal Engine at some points. And that is mostly cpu there.

[pascal.difolco]

Origineel geplaatst door Dagobert:

Origineel geplaatst door hardstylePATZE:

Lol you need to fix your setup and CPU cooling xD

However the game should not need require more CPU resources at turn 1 than a 100 hour Anno 1800 savegame. There is something seriously wrong with the way they coded some things.

You know how incredibly idiotic the statement:
"Lol you need to fix your setup and CPU cooling xD"
come across right?

Do you think you're better?

Do you think everyone who posts here has a Dicouter PC?

Do you think everyone but you is too stupid to build a PC?

The game is round based and even when it is the player's turn the CPU is under 60-70% load.

I even have an oversized water cooling system.
I have hundreds of other games and THOUSANDS of hours in thos Games.
I ONLY get such temperature values ​​in X4: Foundations and that simulates a whole universe in real time in the background.

NO something in AoW4 is bad coded.

Fully uninformed post... Overheating CPU IS a setup/cooling issue
My PC has no issue at all, 65-70C in any game, AoW4 included