Tome System is Flawed

[K33n3r]

For tiers 1 and 2, the tome system is fantastic. There are so many options to build your faction and I love it. You can choose any two tier 1 tomes and gain access to every tier 2 tome, and any two tier 2 tomes unlocks every tier 3 tome. However, in order to select a tier 4 and 5 tome, you must first research two tomes in the previous tier of the same alignment.

What this means is after you select a T3 tome, your path is set. You must now get the other T3 tome of that alignment, followed by the remaining T4 alignment tomes to gain access to the T5 tome. It's simply too powerful to waver, so any customization after your first T3 tome choice is virtually nonexistent, and that's a shame.

Edit: Disregard, thankfully I misunderstood how the system works.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by K33n3r:

What this means is after you select a T3 tome, your path is set. You must now get the other T3 tome of that alignment,

No you don't. I only have one tome per tier of the alignment I was pursuing. You only need enough aligment points to unlock the tome.

[Midas]

Why is that 'flawed'? Before you just chose a class and that was it. Now you get some tome variety until T3, and choose your 'class' afterwards.

[K33n3r]

Originally posted by Roderick:

Originally posted by K33n3r:

What this means is after you select a T3 tome, your path is set. You must now get the other T3 tome of that alignment,

No you don't. I only have one tome per tier of the alignment I was pursuing. You only need enough aligment points to unlock the tome.

For real? I must have missed something, because that seems like a fair system in your example.

[Pyro Penguin]

you only need 8 alignment for a tier 5 tome, and each tome gives 2 alignment, so you can easily get two tier 5 tomes, probably 3 of them when you consider the alignment from character creation traits and signature skills

[Roderick]

By the way, tier IV tome needs 6 affinity. With one book from each tier you easily should have enough affinity.

[K33n3r]

Originally posted by Midas:

Why is that 'flawed'? Before you just chose a class and that was it. Now you get some tome variety until T3, and choose your 'class' afterwards.

It's a big deal because the classes/races don't offer remotely the same variety as in previous installments, so the tome system needs to be very robust to compensate.

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

you only need 8 alignment for a tier 5 tome, and each tome gives 2 alignment, so you can easily get two tier 5 tomes, probably 3 of them when you consider the alignment from character creation traits and signature skills

IIRC You're only allowed 1 tier 5 tome period, unless that changed from the review copies given out.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

you only need 8 alignment for a tier 5 tome, and each tome gives 2 alignment, so you can easily get two tier 5 tomes, probably 3 of them when you consider the alignment from character creation traits and signature skills

You are limited to 1 tier 5 tome, there is no way to get a second.

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

so you can easily get two tier 5 tomes

You can't. Tier 5 tomes are mutually exclusive.

[Azunai]

You can also get up to 4 alignment points from the hero skills you get every 5 levels and there are heroes that give alignment points when they are assigned as governor. I've seen a hero candidate with 3 astral and one with 3 dark. Don't know if there are heroes for every alignment.

[Midas]

Originally posted by K33n3r:

Originally posted by Midas:

Why is that 'flawed'? Before you just chose a class and that was it. Now you get some tome variety until T3, and choose your 'class' afterwards.

It's a big deal because the classes/races don't offer remotely the same variety as in previous installments, so the tome system needs to be very robust to compensate.

They offer way more from what I've seen. Pretty sure if you get a list of any AoW3 class's overall upgrades and unique units, and compare it against the entire line of any of the tomes, the tomes are giving you more. Each tome is giving you unique units, unique strategic and tactical spells, and unique structures, and you get like... 10 tomes during a single playthrough?

[Blanch Warren]

Originally posted by K33n3r:

It's a big deal because the classes/races don't offer remotely the same variety as in previous installments.

They could potentially add more options, but I feel fine.

[darkholyPL]

The only thing that is 'set' is the tier V tome, since you can only have one. Everything else is not. I had like 3 or 4 tier IV tomes, and a bunch of lower tier ones. I think I unlocked 12 tomes totall during my game.

[MrTzatzik]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

you only need 8 alignment for a tier 5 tome, and each tome gives 2 alignment, so you can easily get two tier 5 tomes, probably 3 of them when you consider the alignment from character creation traits and signature skills

I just finished one match and I got like 20 chaos, 15 shadow and 7 astral plus some more. So yeah, it is pretty easy to get 3 high tier tomes