Can i make a female character, as defined before wokeness ?

[avadream]

Or is the game woke, like i read in 1 review.

[Lordofriva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh David McMurdo:

Before this topic inevitably gets locked, I'd just point out that I'm happy with the body type option because it again plays into the whole idea of deciding for themselves who and what their faction is. Every design decision has clearly been made with this in mind.

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

[Ghaleon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh David McMurdo:

Before this topic inevitably gets locked, I'd just point out that I'm happy with the body type option because it again plays into the whole idea of deciding for themselves who and what their faction is. Every design decision has clearly been made with this in mind.

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

You're probably right, but I know Fromsoft did it first with Demon's souls, and somehow I doubt they had that motive in mind, though it's possible since Fromsoft generally doesn't include any stripperiffic women in their games. Still though, that was in Japan, over 10 years ago, it seems really odd if they did it for that reason.

[Moist Butt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh David McMurdo:

Before this topic inevitably gets locked, I'd just point out that I'm happy with the body type option because it again plays into the whole idea of deciding for themselves who and what their faction is. Every design decision has clearly been made with this in mind.

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

Tbf the left are known to do crazy ♥♥♥♥ so it would be wise for companies to avoid possible conflicts from the left. The adjustments made for this game seems more like they just don't want to deal with leftist bs rather than pandering to them.

[Lordofriva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ghaleon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

You're probably right, but I know Fromsoft did it first with Demon's souls, and somehow I doubt they had that motive in mind, though it's possible since Fromsoft generally doesn't include any stripperiffic women in their games. Still though, that was in Japan, over 10 years ago, it seems really odd if they did it for that reason.

That is a fair point. However where it comes from now should be evident, it's the west and a Paradox studio.

[AnemoneMeer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnemoneMeer:

Reading threads like this actively hurt my head. Whatever happened to the days of just shutting up and enjoying something for what it is? Why does everything have to be judged by some people on this arbitrary scale of political correctness?

OP, if your idea of woke is "You can do whatever you please with the character creator" then I have no idea what to tell you. It's fantasy. You can play mole people and drop meteors on heads. If you're going to get offended when someone makes a dwarf woman with a beard, I hate to tell you this, but you're arguing 'against' options in games.

I for one think it's good you can do stuff in the character creator. If I want to make a giant non-binary orc with a massive beard running around half-♥♥♥♥♥ with a greataxe, that's my choice. I wouldn't because that's not my thing, but choice is good. Let people choose to make what they want to make and don't impose your standards on their choices.

it's not us who started this, you are barking at the wrong tree.

No, actually, I'm not.

In all my time in countless communities, from Age of Wonders 3 early theorycrafting (I still have ancient as hell guides up), to game development (I'm in the credits for a few titles on steam), to various other game communities, I've seen the same thing. It's never the people on the left complaining about this stuff.

Harvestella, recent mid-tier JRPG, got lambasted for the male protagonist looking too feminine. In an anime JRPG. Woke was thrown around plenty. Because an Anime JRPG protag was too feminine. Years ago, you'd see long haired pretty boys in spades in anime JRPGs and apparently now that's culture war stuff.

Character creators getting more advanced and permissive, letting players do whatever stupid idea they want to do. But the instant it lets you do the stupid stuff people who enjoy making clown characters wanna do, it's Woke and needs to be destroyed according to certain people. I for one enjoyed building affronts to god in Saints Row 3, and apparently this is now culture war stuff.

80% of all gacha characters are scantily clad women and nobody really bats an eye. Azur Lane literally exists to make money off of ♥♥♥♥♥. Plenty of female fan artists who draw art for it. Hell, Ahri from League of Legends has a number of her most common fanartists being girls. And nobody bats an eye. But if one of those fanartists who clearly find her attractive draws a man who appeals to their tastes, suddenly it's woke and must be destroyed.

The Asari in mass effect were a literal race of blue skinned alien space babes who go into the galaxy to find men. And this is normal and okay. Make a romantic flirt "girly" man in this day and age and it's woke and must be destroyed. I remember Zevran's whole femboy hornyness from Dragon Age Origins and nobody complained about that back then, but he'd probably be crucified in this day and age for having all the machismo of a bottle of estrogen.

I miss the days where people just accepted stuff as it was without trying to force culture war ♥♥♥♥ on stuff. Just let game makers make what they wanna make and what feels cool or interesting to them, instead of lambasting them for doing what they wanna do.

[Midas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh David McMurdo:

Before this topic inevitably gets locked, I'd just point out that I'm happy with the body type option because it again plays into the whole idea of deciding for themselves who and what their faction is. Every design decision has clearly been made with this in mind.

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

Or they can keep it as it is, and it's fine for everyone.

[Klutch]

Diposting pertama kali oleh avadream:

Or is the game woke, like i read in 1 review.

Hey, I heard you say that you don't think you can make a girl character in Age of Wonders 4. But actually, you can! In the game, you can make your own characters and choose if you want them to be a boy or a girl or something else. It's really cool because you get to be whoever you want to be in the game! And that's what games are all about - having fun and being whoever you want to be. So if you want to make a girl character, go for it! Have fun playing!

[Lordofriva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnemoneMeer:

It's never the people on the left complaining about this stuff.

I count myself as "on the left" whatever that means to you.

However, the fact is that the gender ideology was created by John money and adapted into feminism, the whole debate and inclusion of this stuff is politcal in nature, it's not suprising that those adhering to it do not complain. I am not even sure what you want to say here.

The whole wokeness stuff has gotten completely out of hand, I agree on the JRPG part, honestly, but again the reason for this is clearly that the transgender stuff is pushed into everything, or in other words: This ideology creates it's own enemy.

Also regarding "Azur Lane", because that is kinda a fun topic for me, if you look at the Tags for the azur lane game on steam it has the tags "♥♥♥♥♥♥ content" and "nudity", neither is featured in azur lane. You can pretend that there is not an interest in the, you call them left leaning people, to try and not complain but you can see it everywhere, not to mention all of the cancel attempts happening both in gaming and social media.

In any case, this is not the place to debate that, so thats my only long form post on this matter now.

[Lordofriva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Midas:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

And in what shape would that be different if you called "body type 1" male and "body type 2" female? The amount of options would be literally the same.

As it's stands it's just adherence to the trans lobby.

Or they can keep it as it is, and it's fine for everyone.

It's clearly not fine for everyone, it's certainly not fine for me and I can't imagine (or rather know) me being the only one

[PeaceMaker]

Diposting pertama kali oleh avadream:

Or is the game woke, like i read in 1 review.

You mean pretty, ♥♥♥♥? Feminine? hahaha!

The game is a bit woke. Yep. Choose male or female? No, choose Body type. Why???

Most women are ugly. Some women troop even look like they have a man's head on the body. Men are exactly the same height as women when the real average is men are taller than women. Wierdly enough elf men and some Orc men are taller than women, so I guess it's just Human men that must not be taller - US.

You buff up men- women must also be buffed up. No choice.

There are other little woke signs that they THINK we don't notice.

It's woke. I'm certainly not fine with it, this ideological feminist/trans madness is ruining games.

That said, it's not too bad, but I only see this kind of crap getting worse until people start saying, "NO!"

[Midas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Midas:

Or they can keep it as it is, and it's fine for everyone.

It's clearly not fine for everyone, it's certainly not fine for me and I can't imagine (or rather know) me being the only one

Sorry, let me correct myself: Fine for everyone who doesn't hate it just because it was put there to appeal to certain people.

[FairyNuff]

brain worm thread

[Lordofriva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Midas:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

It's clearly not fine for everyone, it's certainly not fine for me and I can't imagine (or rather know) me being the only one

Sorry, let me correct myself: Fine for everyone who doesn't hate it just because it was put there to appeal to certain people.

I am pretty sure that most people adhering to this, hate the very real Idea of ♥♥♥ and a myriad of other things too. I don't hate anyone, I just don't like unreason.

[AnemoneMeer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnemoneMeer:

It's never the people on the left complaining about this stuff.

I count myself as "on the left" whatever that means to you.

However, the fact is that the gender ideology was created by John money and adapted into feminism, the whole debate and inclusion of this stuff is politcal in nature, it's not suprising that those adhering to it do not complain. I am not even sure what you want to say here.

The whole wokeness stuff has gotten completely out of hand, I agree on the JRPG part, honestly, but again the reason for this is clearly that the transgender stuff is pushed into everything, or in other words: This ideology creates it's own enemy.

Also regarding "Azur Lane", because that is kinda a fun topic for me, if you look at the Tags for the azur lane game on steam it has the tags "♥♥♥♥♥♥ content" and "nudity", neither is featured in azur lane. You can pretend that there is not an interest in the, you call them left leaning people, to try and not complain but you can see it everywhere, not to mention all of the cancel attempts happening both in gaming and social media.

In any case, this is not the place to debate that, so thats my only long form post on this matter now.

The gender wars aren't really a product of money, so much as they're a product of political interests. Stoke fights and division so that people start treating people as "the other", and use that to sell them on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Capitalism don't care so long as people are buying and these wars aren't good for money (just look at the people claiming refunds).

My experience is time and again, the people claiming stuff is "woke" are the loudest and most disruptive political actors. And you end up with all manner of events meant to celebrate things that other groups are attacking as a result. And the divide has only gotten more and more intense as of late.

It's depressing, and it's causing so much harm to gaming, be it through pansexual pink man releasing in overwatch to cover up absolutely horrible press in blizzard with something that's going to cause a ton of noise to drown it out, to forum warriors bandwagoning hate onto otherwise fine games for perceived acts of "wokeness" that have nothing to do with them.

Age of Wonders 4 Character Editor lets you do stupid stuff and make the character you want to make. This is good. It is not a political agenda. And people should stop trying to read an agenda into every single thing. Just let people do what they wanna do with their life without imposing on them, and respect eachother's choices about their own personal life. And if they wanna do dumb stuff in a game, let them.

[Ghaleon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnemoneMeer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lordofriva:

it's not us who started this, you are barking at the wrong tree.

No, actually, I'm not.

[stuff]

I miss the days where people just accepted stuff as it was without trying to force culture war ♥♥♥♥ on stuff.

I snipped your quote not to disregard your commentary but just to avoid looking like raging walls of text to the layman. As people said, this thread is aiming for a lock or something but I prefer discussing things in a calm respectful manner rather than tip-toeing around things since I intend to not actually deserve said potential lock myself.

In any case I don't think it's fair to accuse people on the 'not right' of literally always starting heated complaints. It's not difficult to point at many leftist community outrage situations, which I may add tend to be more damaging than shaking fists via words on the internet. I don't want to delve further into that topic either though.

It's true that many gacha games and Asian games and indie games have the more traditional slim and curvy women and hulking sweaty guys (though Asian games in particular tend to have lots of bisho guys rather than big sweaty ones). But that's just developers trying to appeal to the largest market.

Having customization to allow for one to deviate from that is fine, and I don't see anyone here complaining about it. You did however assume the OP did when they did not, I already replied regarding that element of this discussion though. The complaints are when often western-based developers allow for customization, and deliberately take steps to prevent players from making the characters that appeal to their traditional preferences.

Now I get your point where some people are obviously being overly-sensitive to the slightest amount of 'wokeness'. But it's merely a pushback caused by them being grieved in some way.

Evidently you picked a 'side' and you want to defend your sensibilities, but rather than assuming the worst from the other side, why not consider where they may have a point in some way so that you aren't fighting against something you may find reasonable in specific situations so you can save your energy for the times they are NOT reasonable.

Anyway I certainly dont' want to escalate tensions, but I do care enough about the topic to talk about it rather than hide from it. But I fear I too may bow out of the discussion soon, maybe not though.