AoW 4 vs Planetfall

[arhkon]

I would like to know how in fact the AoW4 is going to be better / different then AoW Planetfall? What I can think of is:

- Different setting RPG vs Sci-Fi genre
- A bit more Hero & Faction customization
- Different approach to Sieging the cities
- Casting Magic instead of Planet Operations
- Book of Magic instead of Research Trees

And this is it?

Any other Thoughts?

[blackhand_lost]

Originally posted by arhkon:

Casting Magic instead of Planet Operations

There is no difference between those.

I'd add Free cities vs minor factions from Planetfall

[sandman25dcsss]

Individual mods vs mass transformations

[Anarchy Burger]

edit: sorry that was overly harsh

[Gom]

The biggest difference I've noticed so far is how the factions work.

Planetfall is like a family restaurant. You pick your main dish, your drink, maybe some desserts, and there's your combo.

AoW4 is like a buffet. You mix and match from a bunch of different foods and drinks.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

* No settler perhaps? Huge upgrade in my book.
* No hugging to join combat.
* Better Random questing
* Underground
* Race making
* Instant province capture after 1 pop growth.

[Azunai]

Looks like we'll be managing fewer cities in a typical game (default city cap is 3 at the beginning i think?). And I think there are no pops to move from one job to another, instead every population point unlocks expansion to a new sector (planetfall had 1 new sector per 4 pops). So economy works somewhat differently even though some of it is clearly inspired by planetfall.

[BBB]

Originally posted by Gom:

The biggest difference I've noticed so far is how the factions work.

Planetfall is like a family restaurant. You pick your main dish, your drink, maybe some desserts, and there's your combo.

AoW4 is like a buffet. You mix and match from a bunch of different foods and drinks.

AoW4 is more like a tasting menu restaurant. You get little nibbles of more stuff.

[arhkon]

Do you think it would be much better game in that case or very similar with some changes but giving almost the same expierance?

[BBB]

Each AoW game is noticeably different from the others. The only time we have ever had a straight upgrade was AoW2 to SM. I expect no different this time.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by arhkon:

Do you think it would be much better game in that case or very similar with some changes but giving almost the same expierance?

I think the experience will be quite different than Planetfall. I think i will eventually play them side by side.

[Szeron]

-Stats are based on Planetfall but RNG is structured more like AoW3 - (armor/resist is lower in number, but more meaningful per; base hit chance is 90% instead of 60% hit + 30% graze)
-Provinces are considerably smaller than Sectors and you get 1 per population instead of 4. (Cities go up to 30 population and you don't have district build caps)
-Unit Enchantments are global and replace the Mod system of Planetfall.
-Racial Transformations are another upgrade layer that affects an entire race with no upkeep
-No "Dwellings"; game uses an extensive vassalization system instead
-Exotic units come from Wonders(Landmarks), Hero Traits, and Tomes/Buildings
-Marauders('barbarians') use an "Infestation" system now that can grow over time.
-Anomalies are gone; AoW4 has random event-chains instead
-AoW4 has an underground map layer
-Heroes are no longer static and are randomly generated/fully customizable
-All heroes can govern cities; Feudal Culture gets extra bonuses/traits like Oathsworn
-Heroes can be captured on defeat, placing them in the captor's jail/crypt for political and nefarious purposes.
-Aside from Culture and Leader Origin(which are the closest analogues to class/secret projects), your playstyle is mostly determined by the tomes you choose to research while you're playing instead of what you selected before the game began.

Dozens of other differences beyond this. The team has been busy.

[NoPJag]

@Szeron : thanks, didn't know and it does look great (especially random heroes which is something I wanted for quite a while)

[Mister Inadequate]

I've played AoW 3 and Planetfall. From looking at what we have been shown to me it looks like a massive overhaul of AoW 3 using some mechanics of Planetfall. The fact that it is Fantasy as opposed to Sci-fi will make it more popular. Replacing Planetfall's "secret" tech with the Books will also help. This just my opinion, but I think that doing a random start will be helped by the books over tech aspect. I did a Planetfall series where I did random race and tech and it was a very imperfect match. Now I think if you do random, and not having played I don't know for sure, in AoW 4 I think even something like Halflings with a Necro Wizard could be made to work fairly easily. Just my thoughts and opinions.

[Imryk]

There is no Empire mode and this is a huge minus
The empire allowed me to develop the chosen nation in my own company, and with each card it became a little stronger
AoW4 plays each map without any connection to the previous one.

[⎝Wyrd Deofol⎠]

Originally posted by Imryk:

There is no Empire mode and this is a huge minus
The empire allowed me to develop the chosen nation in my own company, and with each card it became a little stronger
AoW4 plays each map without any connection to the previous one.

Not true.
Pantheon system and who knows what the future will bring.

Also, older (fantasy) AoW iterations never had anything of the sort.