Halting evolution

[SQW]

The tier 1 peasant pike from Feudal culture evolve into a tier 2 sword/shield unit but depending on how you pick the tomes, that peasant is the only spear unit you'll get for a long time. I remember vaguely in a previous AoW game, you can manually toggle whether or not you allow a unit to evolve or keep leveling up as it is. Has anyone figure out how to do it in AoW4 cause I'd rather have a legendary peasant pike than a swordsman I can just build myself.

[Washeek]

Originally posted by SQW:

The tier 1 peasant pike from Feudal culture evolve into a tier 2 sword/shield unit but depending on how you pick the tomes, that peasant is the only spear unit you'll get for a long time. I remember vaguely in a previous AoW game, you can manually toggle whether or not you allow a unit to evolve or keep leveling up as it is. Has anyone figure out how to do it in AoW4 cause I'd rather have a legendary peasant pike than a swordsman I can just build myself.

Afaik there's no way to prevent the evolution. Last this worked was in AoW 2 where evolution was first introduced. All games after that it was automatic.

Imo either play a different culture or get another spearman from tome. Sorry.

[PlutonArioch]

I would welcome the option to prevent evolution. But in the meantime I just keep producing pikemen if I play feudal, and have never built a defender myself. Some pikemen die, most turn into defenders before I can build those, and when I can, I already have enough to mix and match my armies. So, I just replenish my pikemen whenever I need more.
Its just a shame that we never get to utilize the legendary rank bonus for them.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Its just a shame that we never get to utilize the legendary rank bonus for them.

In case you haven't noticed, the AOW4 medal bonuses are 100% identical for every unit type.

So these are just drawn from the basic spear unit template.

[DDkiki]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Its just a shame that we never get to utilize the legendary rank bonus for them.

In case you haven't noticed, the AOW4 medal bonuses are 100% identical for every unit type.

So these are just drawn from the basic spear unit template.

Eh...remember time when every unit had unique medal upgrades and it made them even more distinct and interesting? =_= Its just so tiresome at this point...

[PlutonArioch]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Its just a shame that we never get to utilize the legendary rank bonus for them.

In case you haven't noticed, the AOW4 medal bonuses are 100% identical for every unit type.

So these are just drawn from the basic spear unit template.

Yes, of course I have noticed that. Which is also a shame, but besides the point.
Still a shame, as extra retaliation attacks can be extremely useful, especially with first strike. I guess you have tried the daylight spear, or maybe the punisher's halberd? Now the pikemen would be more along the lines of the arcane guard, since they don't get another bonus retaliation, but it would still be nice to have access to.
When playing feudal, the only way to get a spear unit that can reach legendary rank, without relying on taking over another cultures city, is to take a necromancy tome and get skeletons.
Now that's fine if you just play by the mechanics, and see units just as statblocks, but it makes the roleplay quite limited.

[Washeek]

I've been trying to tell people before release already. It's a very different game. Unless you try forget what you've learned in previous AoW you'll never be satisfied with this one.
And it's super geared towards new players.

[SQW]

Originally posted by Washeek:

I've been trying to tell people before release already. It's a very different game. Unless you try forget what you've learned in previous AoW you'll never be satisfied with this one.
And it's super geared towards new players.

I think the industry term is 'streamlined'. lol
People who crapped on about Planetfall and wanting the series to go back to fantasy...well, be careful what you wish for.

[Garde]

How do I get a legend rank pikeman peasant?

[Washeek]

Originally posted by SQW:

Originally posted by Washeek:

I've been trying to tell people before release already. It's a very different game. Unless you try forget what you've learned in previous AoW you'll never be satisfied with this one.
And it's super geared towards new players.

I think the industry term is 'streamlined'. lol
People who crapped on about Planetfall and wanting the series to go back to fantasy...well, be careful what you wish for.

Hey look. The way I see it. AoW 1 is not going anywhere. People keep fixing it for modern systems and the graphics are timeless. If I wanna have the old experience I can always go back...

[Washeek]

Originally posted by Garde:

How do I get a legend rank pikeman peasant?

You keep the peasants alive long enough through battles using combination of tactics, hero abilities, spells and they'll eventually gather enough xp.

[SQW]

Originally posted by Washeek:

Originally posted by Garde:

How do I get a legend rank pikeman peasant?

You keep the peasants alive long enough through battles using combination of tactics, hero abilities, spells and they'll eventually gather enough xp.

But they evolve into a shield unit at champion level automatically so you can never achieve legendary.

[Ichthyic]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Its just a shame that we never get to utilize the legendary rank bonus for them.

In case you haven't noticed, the AOW4 medal bonuses are 100% identical for every unit type.

So these are just drawn from the basic spear unit template.

by every unit type, you mean specific to each unit type, right?
so the same for all shields, but shield awards are different to fighter awards, for example.

[Ichthyic]

Originally posted by SQW:

Originally posted by Washeek:

You keep the peasants alive long enough through battles using combination of tactics, hero abilities, spells and they'll eventually gather enough xp.

But they evolve into a shield unit at champion level automatically so you can never achieve legendary.

this is not correct. your levels are reset when you evolve. you can relevel your evolved unit all the way back up to legendary again.

[SQW]

We are talking about the Feudal culture's tier 1 spear unit here. It's the only spear unit feudal gets and in many situations, superior to the tier 2 shield unit it is forced to evolve into at champion level. The guy a few posts above said you can reach legendary level with that particular spear unit which should be impossible.

[Ichthyic]

ah, I see what you mean now.
yeah, the system is designed so that shields complement spearmen. you get much better overall defense with the two units mixed. there ARE races that have 2 tier spear units that will not evolve, so you will need to get control of a different race if you want perma pikes.