Why must you crush my dreams, Trumph? (Edit - Gib Dracolitch)

[Picklefather Nurgle]

All I wanted was the ability to be a Dracolitch in the DLC. And you TOOK that from me! WHY!?

Real topic tho: Undead Dragons.

You've got Bone Dragon in-game. But so far all I've seen is the Shadow Dragons that can be recruited yet nothing undead-themed for the Player's own Dragon Lord. The streamers I get my information from have all told me that there are no ways to become a Dracolitch in-game. Mods will likely fix that but the model exists in-game, and you can be a semi-undead individual in at least appearance at first when playing as a Wizard King and selecting that one outfit with the exposed ribs and the literal grinning skull for a head.

Just a minor quibble. Might post this in the suggestion thread at a future date.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 SBA77：

I think it would have been neat if they had a dragon for each type of magic rather than each affinity because the affinities don't match up with different kind of magic 1:1, as has been discussed with Shadow which includes frost, necromancy and shadow/dark magic.

That Dracolitch forgotten realms link suggests that the breath weapon is unchanged by the lich transformation. Perhaps that's because a dragon's breath weapon is inherently magical.

That being said, before I read the link, I assumed that Dracolitches breathed negative energy as a breath weapon after being transformed, regardless of their origin.

In terms of Affinities the only match up that isn't one to one is the Dark Affinity. Instead of a negative energy weapon we get frost.

I guess you could make a case that Astral isn't lightning, but it's incorporated lightning/shock damage since AoW3 under the sorceror portfolio. Now it blends cosmos, sorceror and some air (part in materium).

In short, I get my blue lightning dragon. After him, I will try classic red. Full Smaug.

There's a type of dragon in D&D that literally breathes negative energy I think. Its one of the rarer ones too. There's also one that breathes literal Plasma. As in, the stuff lightning and fire are made of, and its so hot that not only does it literally melt you, it also ignites the air on-contact due to the sudden change in temperature, causing explosions that deal physical damage in addition to the fire. (I think this is the Purple Dragon that does that). There's also this one spooky @ss mother F'er that breathes literal Black Holes (or Spheres of Annihilation as they're known in D&D). Never wanna encounter that in a game or on Tabletop, lol.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 SBA77：

If they did make a thread that was "To-Do list" I know exactly what I'd put on it.

Can we add, remove underground layer, and map exploration off (maps start revealed but fog of war on) to the list.

Definitely needed. The Cheat Codes cuz of course, lol. They were neat and whacky and fun. I literally used them to watch all the endings in the older games, since I couldn't be bothered to play through Games 1, 2 AND Shadow Magic 3-4 times each to see every possible permutation of choices.

The Underground settings are definitely something they should bring back. And not just the ability to turn it off completely. I'm talking a full overhaul of the system. In 3 you basically had an entire ecosystem underground. You could play literally an entire game under there, as it was almost as large as the overworld. The random generation kept things exciting and the underground always felt claustrophobic but never like it was literally gimping you, like it does in this game, as you're lucky to get more than 15 provinces you can attach to your capital before running out of space, and you're lucky to get side-caverns that are larger than 4 provinces for your other cities, with the big 6-10 province caverns being slightly more uncommon.

There was also an option in 3 to turn off the Overworld, meaning you could have a complete game under the surface, like the little Dwarf/Goblin you were.

[SBA77]

引用自 Grandfather Nurgle：

引用自 Flushing：

That Dracolitch forgotten realms link suggests that the breath weapon is unchanged by the lich transformation. Perhaps that's because a dragon's breath weapon is inherently magical.

That being said, before I read the link, I assumed that Dracolitches breathed negative energy as a breath weapon after being transformed, regardless of their origin.

In terms of Affinities the only match up that isn't one to one is the Dark Affinity. Instead of a negative energy weapon we get frost.

I guess you could make a case that Astral isn't lightning, but it's incorporated lightning/shock damage since AoW3 under the sorceror portfolio. Now it blends cosmos, sorceror and some air (part in materium).

In short, I get my blue lightning dragon. After him, I will try classic red. Full Smaug.

There's a type of dragon in D&D that literally breathes negative energy I think. Its one of the rarer ones too. There's also one that breathes literal Plasma. As in, the stuff lightning and fire are made of. There's also this one spooky @ss mother F'er that breathes literal Black Holes (or Spheres of Annihilation as they're known in D&D). Never wanna encounter that in a game or on Tabletop, lol.

The dracoliches don't have to be D&D dracoliches, as there are plenty of other games and settings that have them. Dominions' dracoliches have a "plague breath" for instance.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 Grandfather Nurgle：

Yeah, there's only Shadow Dragons. Which deal Frost damage, just like Frost Dragons. its kind of weird that there's no differentiation between the two, since that makes Shadow Affinity the only one with two dragon types.

As for the look of the Dracolitch, it would be anything from a total skeleton with glowing, magical orbs for eyes or a fleshy, rotting zombie dragon. The D&D one is more along the lines of what I was thinking. Partially skeletal but with flesh still clinging to the bones.

Here it is: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dracolich

Theoretically, couldn't we get a Dracolich by first choosing a Dark Affinity Dragon Lord (actually any affinity because a Dracolitch has the breath weapon it's corporal body has, even when undead) Leader, then casting the wightborn major race transformation?

I mean, that's exactly what it would be. You'd have an undead dragon as your leader. You just couldn't do the Draconian major race transformation also, but who cares.

Would be cool to see how your dragonlord changes with the transformation.

But, what am I missing. Bone Dragons are in the game now. If it's a Dracolitch in particular, you should definitely be able to change your Dragon Lord into one, unless race tranformations will not apply to Dragon Lords.

I haven't seen anything official saying that they don't applly yet.

That being said, it would make sense if the don't get most gear or racial transformations to balance them with the other 2 leaders, in all stages of the game.

Yeah, it should definitely be an option. As for the official news, its on their reveal Livestream. I'll post the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb6yEfRLbmQ&ab_channel=AgeofWonders4Official Dragons get to choose Aspects, which are Transformations with some added damage and affinity boosts when they reach levels 4, 8, 12 and 16. Just like how Wizards and Champs can pick special skills at 5, 10 etc. Dragons get those a bit early since they're balanced a bit differently. Faction/Race Transformations don't work on them as a result. Good thing is you can mix and match on your Dragon Lord.

[Midas]

Honestly, they wouldn't even have to make it it's own thing, they could have just made it an option for the shadow dragon. Use some parts from the bone dragon, get the undead tag, maybe gain lifesteal like Wightborn, done deal.

[Lestrateguerre]

If you chose Shadow dragon transformation as the lvl 16 special skill slot , your dragon in fact get the undead tag. ( order gain celestial; astral gain ethereal; materium get Elemental; Chaos get fiend, Nature get plant.)

[Flushing]

引用自 Lestrateguerre：

If you chose Shadow dragon transformation as the lvl 16 special skill slot , your dragon in fact get the undead tag. ( order gain celestial; astral gain ethereal; materium get Elemental; Chaos get fiend, Nature get plant.)

So there you go. That's it. In AoW4 your Undead Dragon is a Shadow Dragon. There's your Dracolitch.

Anything further is to say, nope, this Dracolitch doesn't fit the fantasy tropes for a Dracolitch.

[SBA77]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 Lestrateguerre：

If you chose Shadow dragon transformation as the lvl 16 special skill slot , your dragon in fact get the undead tag. ( order gain celestial; astral gain ethereal; materium get Elemental; Chaos get fiend, Nature get plant.)

So there you go. That's it. In AoW4 your Undead Dragon is a Shadow Dragon. There's your Dracolitch.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mightandmagic/images/e/eb/SpectralDragon.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140211145919&path-prefix=en

[PXR5]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 SBA77：

If they did make a thread that was "To-Do list" I know exactly what I'd put on it.

Can we add, remove underground layer, and map exploration off (maps start revealed but fog of war on) to the list.

Strangely enough there is a third option that doesn't appear in the game but when you hover over the small and huge underground options it appears. It's called Unhinabitable Underground.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 Lestrateguerre：

If you chose Shadow dragon transformation as the lvl 16 special skill slot , your dragon in fact get the undead tag. ( order gain celestial; astral gain ethereal; materium get Elemental; Chaos get fiend, Nature get plant.)

So there you go. That's it. In AoW4 your Undead Dragon is a Shadow Dragon. There's your Dracolitch.

Anything further is to say, nope, this Dracolitch doesn't fit the fantasy tropes for a Dracolitch.

Was more hoping for a full visual transformation, but a mostly-preserved undead is..... (ugh) fine I suppose.

[Flushing]

引用自 Grandfather Nurgle：

引用自 Flushing：

So there you go. That's it. In AoW4 your Undead Dragon is a Shadow Dragon. There's your Dracolitch.

Anything further is to say, nope, this Dracolitch doesn't fit the fantasy tropes for a Dracolitch.

Was more hoping for a full visual transformation, but a mostly-preserved undead is..... (ugh) fine I suppose.

That's a valid ask. Hopefully they can do that by giving us more customization options, overtime, with our avatars.

[Flushing]

引用自 SBA77：

引用自 Flushing：

So there you go. That's it. In AoW4 your Undead Dragon is a Shadow Dragon. There's your Dracolitch.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mightandmagic/images/e/eb/SpectralDragon.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140211145919&path-prefix=en

I cannot open this, can you repost?

[TirAsleen]

Dracolich? Reminds me of Dominions another brilliant game of that kind, Your leader could be a dracolich and with a bog mummy as humanoid form to perform rituals and wear items.

And nothing of that was cosmetic either hehe

[SBA77]

引用自 Flushing：

引用自 SBA77：

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mightandmagic/images/e/eb/SpectralDragon.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140211145919&path-prefix=en

I cannot open this, can you repost?

Again? I found it broke and I fixed it 40 mins ago. It seems to be working now on my end.

Guess these will have to do:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mightandmagic/images/6/65/HOMM5_Necropolis_Creature_Shadow_Dragon.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140307111058&path-prefix=en

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/3cc4b6e3-9897-4012-a02e-232801fa823a/d2ks3ec-81cfff7d-5071-449b-adc0-31952897ad6e.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_694,q_75,strp/homm5__spectral_dragon_by_neovius_d2ks3ec-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9Njk0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvM2NjNGI2ZTMtOTg5Ny00MDEyLWEwMmUtMjMyODAxZmE4MjNhXC9kMmtzM2VjLTgxY2ZmZjdkLTUwNzEtNDQ5Yi1hZGMwLTMxOTUyODk3YWQ2ZS5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAwMCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.n5MhTEG_AucpryNizy2sfW5k9PffGxSkHSr8u50v3Ec

Also oh my God those link to Deviant Art images

[Picklefather Nurgle]

引用自 TirAsleen：

Dracolich? Reminds me of Dominions another brilliant game of that kind, Your leader could be a dracolich and with a bog mummy as humanoid form to perform rituals and wear items.

And nothing of that was cosmetic either hehe

Love dominions. Only issue I stopped playing it was more fatigue than any issue with the gameplay. They need to introduce some quality of life updates to save my fingers from the constant clicking! XD