Only 2 new tomes?

[For the Jerusalem]

So by the looks of it, we got tome of evolution and tome of dragons. Both being nature+chaos, evolution being T1 and dragons T3. This makes it feel like we get almost nothing in the dlc, we got a dragon lord, two tomes, two new race traits and a skin, and a new world customization (currently only a win condition was seen and it's probbly the only one).

[KellyR]

Meh. I don't even want more tomes, I want more cultures.

[DasaKamov]

"Arrrrrgh the devs are giving us exactly what they promised, raaaaargh"

[BigJ]

Don't care about content.

I just want multiplayer to work.

[Johnny 5]

lol I want more everything, including cultures.
Honestly though the base game is $50 the expansion pass is $50, is it unreasonable to want the dlc collectively to add approx twice the content as the base game?

I was kind of hoping for more fiery based tomes to go along with dragons and maybe to spread another terrain type.

[SQW]

Personally, I regard all PDX DLCs to be worth 50% of their day-one pricing content wise. Just look at Stellaris and you'll see what DLC content and pricing would be. Unless you have a thing for dragon and lizard character skins, there's not much here to recommend.

[Sentinel]

I find it hilarious that instead of adding an item forge or more map content for exploring and gaining items, they add a ruler that can't use many items and profits from unused copy paste items in your vault....problem solved :kappa: xD
I honestly expected more content, but than again, I didn't expect it so soon. At least the game has mods and will grow on two fronts.

[mecklenberg]

Originally posted by Johnny 5:

lol I want more everything, including cultures.
Honestly though the base game is $50 the expansion pass is $50, is it unreasonable to want the dlc collectively to add approx twice the content as the base game?

This.

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there because at the moment underground isn't really a playable option, and naval combat is a joke. It's practically a given that the playable versions of those areas will be locked behind DLCs.

So the true price of the game is substantially more than the first-day sticker price. n the other hand, the game was made, for which I am truly grateful. I guess one has to put up with a degree of predation to get nice things these days.

Bundling bits and pieces of the base game as 'DLC', offering a mass of slender content with top-dollar price tags, and preying on people's completionist appetites isn't quite as bad as gacha, but it's not far off.

We need a new word for it - smorgasgacha, perhaps.

[SBA77]

Originally posted by For the Jerusalem:

So by the looks of it, we got tome of evolution and tome of dragons. Both being nature+chaos, evolution being T1 and dragons T3. This makes it feel like we get almost nothing in the dlc, we got a dragon lord, two tomes, two new race traits and a skin, and a new world customization (currently only a win condition was seen and it's probbly the only one).

Yeah I'd say the lion's share of the work of this DLC went into Dragon Lords, and everything else except for a couple of things was mostly an afterthought.

They had the opportunity to add a lot of cool things but they didn't take it. Because they were bringing back the lizardmen they could have add some water and/or swamp themed tomes and spells, they could have added frog mounts (the lizardmen's signature cavalry in the original game), and they could have added a greater number of and more interesting body and mind traits but they didn't.

At least the Dragon Lords seemed to turn out great though, and I do like the lizardmen's designs and how varied they are including everything from lizards to snakes to crocodiles to dinosaurs. Big improvement over the draconian redesign in AoW 3. Though I am disappointed that you can't give them (the race, not the ruler) different kinds of horns like you can ruler. It would have been nice to have an entire race that looks like that Wizard King ruler in the screenshots (screenshot 7).

[suejak]

I'm winning an MP game as an underground race by exploiting that so it's definitely playable lol

That said, it does need tweaks as discussed elsewhere. Just cool down with the exaggerations.

[Sifer2]

Originally posted by Sentinel:

I find it hilarious that instead of adding an item forge or more map content for exploring and gaining items, they add a ruler that can't use many items and profits from unused copy paste items in your vault....problem solved :kappa: xD
I honestly expected more content, but than again, I didn't expect it so soon. At least the game has mods and will grow on two fronts.

Yeah not gonna lie that annoys me too. Can't help but feel the eventual item forge or whatever will also be a DLC so you will need it to make vanilla lords viable again against Dragons.

Also annoyed the new tomes have Nature in them. And we already know Primal DLC will be even more Nature. There really isn't much balance here in affinity spread so far.

[melkathi]

Originally posted by Midas:

Actually, we haven't been told if it's ruler exclusive. You could potentially have several dragons leading armies, for all we know.

Ascend dragon rulers to the pantheon.
Set all of them to be available as heroes.

[Wking]

Yeah, the fact that there are only two tomes is problematic. Because there are only two, we quickly reach the end of the DLC's content. There isn't even a transitional tome in between. In the first tome, you enhance the evolution mechanics, and in the other tome, your race becomes dragons. It seems that the dragons tomes are quite powerful, but there is no content that can increase the diversity of the endgame like the other tomes do. Do you want dragons? Well, then squeez these dragon tomes to your main build. There is no build where you can solely play as a pure dragon. If they could have added just one tier 5 dragon tome at the end, atleast we can mix with other tomes. But that's not there either :S

I would like to add this as well. Except necro, all major transformations are in Tier IV tomes. If you're not going for the necro, you're wasting the major transformation you get from the tier IV tome. I haven't tried the DLC either but still thats seem weird.

Another problematic aspect is the lack of unit variety. As you guys know there are Ice, Fire, and Bone dragon in the game and they added Gold (Spirit) and Obsidian (Lightning) dragon.

However, there are two dragon types missing: Nature (Blight) and Materium (Physical). So, there is no Stone dragon or Mechanical Dragon for Materium.

And even if Bone dragon uses blight, still you need to consider the tier cuz its tier IV and its not look like nature dragon at all. So there is no Level V forest dragon or nature dragon to play as. Even though they added these types of dragons as playable leaders, it's odd that they didn't add them as units.

In short, there are some missing elements. Later on, if the dragons won't be added through updates and if the dragons will remain as they are, I believe the diversity is not sufficient. I thought that with the Affinity system, the number of dragons would increase, but they have simply taken the existing dragons from AoW3, tweaked their stats, and changed their types. They haven't added any new types of dragons, despite adding them as leaders. It's just weird...not gonna talk about wyverns its just same. But atleast we got baby slither XD

Extra Dragon or u can call it necro dragon:
Bone Dragon - Tier IV

Chaos - Fire Dragon - Tier V
Shadow - Frost Dragon - Tier V
Order - Golden Dragon - Tier V
Astral - Obsidian?!?! which is weird (in aow3 if i remember correctly it uses blight but now lightning but whatever atleast we got lightning dragon)
Materium - None
Nature - None

[SBA77]

Originally posted by Wking:

Yeah, the fact that there are only two tomes is problematic. Because there are only two, we quickly reach the end of the DLC's content. There isn't even a transitional tome in between.

A "Tome of the Swamps" would have been cool that added new summonable or trainable swamp creatures like lurkers or hydras (the latter of which is already associated with draconians), spells that could slow down or poison the enemy, and a swamp terraforming spell. It would have made sense since it would introduce things associated with the old lizardmen and dracaonians, introduced some content that fans felt was missing and provide some nostalgia for them.

Originally posted by Wking:

ird (in aow3 if i remember correctly it uses blight but now lightning but whatever atleast we got lightning dragon)

Yeah, obsidian dragons and their predecessors the black dragons used to be the evil, dark dragons that were supposed to be the polar opposites of their good, gold dragon counterparts, so the change to lightning is strange. I don't recall lightning ever being particularly associated with evil in Age of Wonders other than the Cult of Storms, but I think that was just a name.

[DoppyTheElv]

Originally posted by For the Jerusalem:

Originally posted by Midas:

I mistakenly thought you were looking for information, but it seems like you really want to just be mad about this, so have fun with that.

The only information that can fix this is "the current pre release version doesn't include all the DLC tomes"
Also, it trully won't matter if you can recruit dragon heroes. Still a bad deal.

This is highly subjective. And it ends there really. You buy it or you don't.

[Arthur two sheds Jackson]

the dragons look pretty customizable and awesome its a pretty good deal for me, alway wanted something akin to that in aow 3 look like it brough a fair share of new unit as well just too bad no new mount, the game lack in mounts option