[ENDGAME SPOILERS] What was the point with...

[JamesClawk]

Juno? So, the series seems to be more and more afraid to show death at all, and I can think of no better example than the Juno Navel Base. Huge blast, complete devastation, and yet I knew that no one had died. Sure enough, within a scene or two, we're told that no one was home. A whole military fortress completely vacant. You want to tell a story with no death, fine, but why keep going out of your way to suggest those are the stakes, only to make it quite clear that there will never be consequences? Is there some sort of contractual or legal thing going on that I don't understand?

EDIT: Since I see a lot of people pointing this out, I want to make it clear. I understand that Elysium was firing a warning shot. I don't think it's silly that it hit an empty building. I do think it's silly that Juno was empty.

[Ogami]

Yeah, when i played the Japanese release 2 years ago i loudly exclaimed " Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me?!?!" with that whole " Oh the entire base that usually holds 100k troops was empty right at that moment. What a lucky coincidence!".
That was literally the lamest scene in all of Reverie for me.

And yes, there is not a single drop of blood in the entire game.
(Funniest when the Crossbell major gets shot and the characters are like " omg we need to stop the bleeding!" and you see absolutely nothing on his body).
I think the last time the series did show blood was in CS 3 with the assasination attempt on the emperor.
Same with the whole "every villain needs to be redeemed, nobody is allowed to die" the franchise has devolved into.

It DOES get better in Kuro though, which shows blood way more frequently.
But then chickens out in other ways but oh well.. story for another day.

[marionettethree]

They chose to fire at Juno Navel Base to show that the laser can hit a target across the country. (Juno is like on the opposite end from Crossbelle).

But that's probably not the point you're asking

[Ogami]

Originally posted by marionettethree:

But that's probably not the point you're asking

Our point is that the entire CS franchise made it clear that Juno Naval fortress is one of the biggest Empire bases for the millitary and has a peacetime base crew of over 100k troops stationed there all the time.
And then in Reverie as the big bad laser of doom fires on the base as a demonstration of its power the whole base is miraculously completely empty because of some "manuever" going on according to Aurelia.
Thats BS and just the same " we do not dare show people dying in our games!" that FALCOM more and more subscribed to over the years.
Not only takes that all the tension out of any possible global threat is actively feels insulting to the intelligence of the player.
Falcom wants these giant doom events and global world wars but is too afraid to show death or even blood.
That just does not fit together very well and its something they have been increasingly called out for by the fanbase.

[chris100185]

It wasn't even that there were few casualties. It's that there were NO casualties. Like what the actual ♥♥♥♥? They could have changed it to to "minimal casualties" and it would have been fine, not even bat an eye really. But no casualties is beyond preposterous. Like even IF every single troop left was out on patrol (which itself is ludicrous), what about the fortress staff? Like are the seriously asking us to believe the most important fort in Erebonia didn't even have a security guard at the door?

[JamesClawk]

Originally posted by marionettethree:

They chose to fire at Juno Navel Base to show that the laser can hit a target across the country. (Juno is like on the opposite end from Crossbelle).

But that's probably not the point you're asking

Correct.

Both from an in-universe standpoint and a writing standpoint, they could have fired at any number of targets for this purpose. They chose to target the Juno Base, which should have consequences but doesn't.

[L0KisT3r]

You don't understand? I get it, just sit back and wait for what will happen in S.1210, they will answer all of your questions.

[The Inedible Hulk]

It's rather silly out of context, but I think they were intentionally targeting an empty building as a non-lethal "warning shot" to terrify Erebonia without irreconcilably angering them. The Supreme Leader does warn Calvard in advance about the next strike to give them a chance to evacuate, so I personally think it was intentional, at least.

[Sorrel]

The reason why Juno was empty is mentioned in one of the daydreams (Jingo's to be specific), it was probably a warning shot

[wellard2006]

Dont worry people actually die in Kuro 1

[JamesClawk]

Originally posted by Sorrel:

The reason why Juno was empty is mentioned in one of the daydreams (Jingo's to be specific), it was probably a warning shot

I haven't gotten around to that one yet, I'll have to check it out. Can't imagine what the justification would be for the entire place to be empty, but maybe they'll surprise me.

[JamesClawk]

Originally posted by The Inedible Hulk:

It's rather silly out of context, but I think they were intentionally targeting an empty building as a non-lethal "warning shot" to terrify Erebonia without irreconcilably angering them. The Supreme Leader does warn Calvard in advance about the next strike to give them a chance to evacuate, so I personally think it was intentional, at least.

I don't doubt that it was a warning shot, I'm more baffled that the fortress was a viable option as a warning shot, but someone else pointed out that the Jingo Daydream gives an explanation for this, so I'll check that out later today.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by JamesClawk:

I haven't gotten around to that one yet, I'll have to check it out. Can't imagine what the justification would be for the entire place to be empty, but maybe they'll surprise me.

Its just a short mention of Juno being abandoned since the war because of the massive downsizing of the millitary that going on right now in Erebonia.
BUT even then, such a base with all those guns and such would still always have a company guarding it. We see in the scene that Juno still has all its armaments and guns , its also still flying millitary flags.
You dont leave such a fortress completely empty just standing around.
Honestly the "daydream" is a weak excuse to add some justification after the fact.

[JamesClawk]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by JamesClawk:

I haven't gotten around to that one yet, I'll have to check it out. Can't imagine what the justification would be for the entire place to be empty, but maybe they'll surprise me.

Its just a short mention of Juno being abandoned since the war because of the massive downsizing of the millitary that going on right now in Erebonia.
BUT even then, such a base with all those guns and such would still always have a company guarding it. We see in the scene that Juno still has all its armaments and guns , its also still flying millitary flags.
You dont leave such a fortress completely empty just standing around.
Honestly the "daydream" is a weak excuse to add some justification after the fact.

Yeah, I've gone through it myself now, and it's awfully weak. As Chris mentioned earlier, I could've MAYBE bought 'minimal casualties' with this, but no casualties is just absurd.

[Astellin]

wait does anyone actually die in this series and have we seen the body recently it might be alive again

[chris100185]

Originally posted by Astellin:

wait does anyone actually die in this series and have we seen the body recently it might be alive again

Cold Steel 1 showed bodies laying in blood puddles. And A number of nameless NPCs die in Azure.

Anyone important? Probably count them on 1 hand