WW2 update – expectations and aspirations.

[skinnywattie]

WW2 update – expectations and aspirations.

TLDR - do we appreciate how difficult this will be?

The devs appear to have let it slip that the WW2 update is the next big thing heading our way (except maybe a patch or two). I’m really excited by this, but realise its going to be a hecking big task of them to add the tanks to the game, as well as match all gamer's aspirations.

So just some thoughts on this so far:

I think we can safely say that no American nor Russian tanks will be in this update, keeping within the limits of the EA release so far.

We are not likely to see much regarding French tanks too during this period.

I think it will leave Britain, Germany and Italy as the tank designers, with all other countries just being market place buyers like Turkey (maybe even the Free French forces too?).

I think we may see WW2 limited to 1934 – 1944, as another 10 year tier for practical purposes.

I’d be fair with this, as tanks designs from 1945 tended to dominate the early Cold War era (1944 – 1954 Tier IV). I’m talking here about what would be JS-III, Pershing, Centurion etc. I don’t think its right to see them as WW2 tanks as such (yes, im splitting hairs here to argue a gaming point).

For Trophy tanks I think we would see the following

Pz I
Pz II
Pz III
Pz IV
Pz V Panther
Pz VI Tiger 1

Pz 38t (maybe)

I’m not sure if Pz VI Tiger 2 would be included in a game that covers 1934-1944 but from midway through the year. The Tiger 2 only really saw deployment after mid 1944.

We probably wont see any vehicles based on chassis variations, Stug, Jagdpanther etc. Im sure they will eventually make it into the game, but not at this update, but maybe a later DLC.

We could see some Italian Trophy Tanks:
M13/40
L3/33
M15/42

I really don’t want to go into the full list of British tanks here. It would be quite a huge list, even outside of US licensed tanks like Shermans, Grants etc which shows challenges the devs would have. Just how many can they out into this game?

At a minimum I would love to see these:

Matilda
Cruiser MK 1 - III
Crusaders
Comets
Cromwell
Churchill.


Just looking at all the tanks from from just these nations and even from the limited 10 year period of 1934-1944, having them in the update is going to be an almost impossible task.


But can you just imagine the play-ability of such a game?

The sheer joy of capturing a Tiger 1, replacing its awful engine, giving it a mechanically reliable and serviceable running gear and a cheap-to-produce 17lb cannon.

I cannot wait, even though I think it may be a long wait indeed.

Huge respect to the devs for even trying this.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Panzer I - Panzer IV are actually Interwar desgins. But ok, they where used in WW2, I get it.

I even would extend WW2 era to 1950 or 1955 for gameplay reasons. In WW2 alot of stuff was going on in tank development and I think it will be very difficult to squeeze all of this in 10 years wihtout leaving out some tanks. This would anger many players cause their favorite tank isnt in the game.

Dont get me wrong, i dont want tanks developed after WW2 in the WW2 era, I just want Cold war era to start later to give the players more time in WW2 era.

[CheeseMerchant]

skinnywattie の投稿を引用：

WW2 update – expectations and aspirations.

TLDR - do we appreciate how difficult this will be?

The devs appear to have let it slip that the WW2 update is the next big thing heading our way (except maybe a patch or two). I’m really excited by this, but realise its going to be a hecking big task of them to add the tanks to the game, as well as match all gamer's aspirations.

So just some thoughts on this so far:

I think we can safely say that no American nor Russian tanks will be in this update, keeping within the limits of the EA release so far.

We are not likely to see much regarding French tanks too during this period.

I think it will leave Britain, Germany and Italy as the tank designers, with all other countries just being market place buyers like Turkey (maybe even the Free French forces too?).

I think we may see WW2 limited to 1934 – 1944, as another 10 year tier for practical purposes.

I’d be fair with this, as tanks designs from 1945 tended to dominate the early Cold War era (1944 – 1954 Tier IV). I’m talking here about what would be JS-III, Pershing, Centurion etc. I don’t think its right to see them as WW2 tanks as such (yes, im splitting hairs here to argue a gaming point).

For Trophy tanks I think we would see the following

Pz I
Pz II
Pz III
Pz IV
Pz V Panther
Pz VI Tiger 1

Pz 38t (maybe)

I’m not sure if Pz VI Tiger 2 would be included in a game that covers 1934-1944 but from midway through the year. The Tiger 2 only really saw deployment after mid 1944.

We probably wont see any vehicles based on chassis variations, Stug, Jagdpanther etc. Im sure they will eventually make it into the game, but not at this update, but maybe a later DLC.

We could see some Italian Trophy Tanks:
M13/40
L3/33
M15/42

I really don’t want to go into the full list of British tanks here. It would be quite a huge list, even outside of US licensed tanks like Shermans, Grants etc which shows challenges the devs would have. Just how many can they out into this game?

At a minimum I would love to see these:

Matilda
Cruiser MK 1 - III
Crusaders
Comets
Cromwell
Churchill.


Just looking at all the tanks from from just these nations and even from the limited 10 year period of 1934-1944, having them in the update is going to be an almost impossible task.


But can you just imagine the play-ability of such a game?

The sheer joy of capturing a Tiger 1, replacing its awful engine, giving it a mechanically reliable and serviceable running gear and a cheap-to-produce 17lb cannon.

I cannot wait, even though I think it may be a long wait indeed.

Huge respect to the devs for even trying this.

Tiger II entered production in january 1944. and the design for it was ready in 1943. so it would fit in your timeframe.

it also was the conclusion of WW2 German tank design philosophy, being the ultimate example of the holy trinity of tank design(firepower,armor and mobility) taken to the extreme within the context of WW2. so it would make sense for it being an end of the line German tech.

[jfoytek]

I have zero expectations as the game has only gone down hill since release...

In my opinion they need to rework the entire 1st era to be well fun and to actually transition into era 2 in a way that's enjoyable... before worrying about moving forward...

[skinnywattie]

Yeah, the Tiger II would be a tough one to balance in this timescale.
it could only be a trophy tank after it entered service, after mid 1944.
However, it is a bit of fantasy/alternative timeline at the moment and I'm all good with that too.

I do think bringing it into the game would be great for marketing for the devs.

I think it could cause a lot of frustration if it was properly represented - the repairablity of a smashed egg and probably never having a good enough engine. Game wise it would need some serious re-engineering before it would hit acceptable contract scores. A lot of WOT gamers wouldnt be happy with that.

[CheeseMerchant]

skinnywattie の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the Tiger II would be a tough one to balance in this timescale.
it could only be a trophy tank after it entered service, after mid 1944.
However, it is a bit of fantasy/alternative timeline at the moment and I'm all good with that too.

I do think bringing it into the game would be great for marketing for the devs.

I think it could cause a lot of frustration if it was properly represented - the repairablity of a smashed egg and probably never having a good enough engine. Game wise it would need some serious re-engineering before it would hit acceptable contract scores. A lot of WOT gamers wouldnt be happy with that.

repairability would be low indeed. but IRL this was partly because the German logistics were getting bombed night and day. which in the game would not be the case since you are supplying everything, meaning the Tiger II would be slightly more reliable in game then it was in the real war.

[blackhand_lost]

The Real question is will the WWII update be the last one with this amount of sales and active playerbase

And yeah, Tiger II will obviously be there, it's one of the WWII era iconic tanks, some people here have some really weird way of thinking

[Comrade_Ruairí]

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I think I'd rather see the first 2 eras fleshed out first. And I don't just mean the obvious QoL stuff but I'd rather see the other nations added before they even think of WW2.

There is still plenty of tanks from the 2 eras that aren't added yet and I'd love to see them as well as any theoretical or blueprint tanks or components added first.

[zoeren]

Comrade_Ruairí の投稿を引用：

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I think I'd rather see the first 2 eras fleshed out first. And I don't just mean the obvious QoL stuff but I'd rather see the other nations added before they even think of WW2.

There is still plenty of tanks from the 2 eras that aren't added yet and I'd love to see them as well as any theoretical or blueprint tanks or components added first.

From a technical perspective it makes more sense to implement all mechanics first.
From a players perspective it's replayability vs playing time. Most early access games have at least one of them. Here it's a bit more difficult because you got none.
More unpopular opinion: game should have gone into early access with a full playthrough of all eras. Then start adjusting and adding content.

[Dirty Sanchez]

skinnywattie の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the Tiger II would be a tough one to balance in this timescale.
it could only be a trophy tank after it entered service, after mid 1944.
However, it is a bit of fantasy/alternative timeline at the moment and I'm all good with that too.

I do think bringing it into the game would be great for marketing for the devs.

I think it could cause a lot of frustration if it was properly represented - the repairablity of a smashed egg and probably never having a good enough engine. Game wise it would need some serious re-engineering before it would hit acceptable contract scores. A lot of WOT gamers wouldnt be happy with that.

Dont forget, its not about creating the best tank in the world, its about creating the tank the customer asks for. If they ask for a slow crawling, heavily armored beast with a gun that can destroy nearly everything, they can have it. Hell, even if they want a Maus, I am willing to sell it if I can make good profit. My task it to sell tanks and make as much profit as I can, not to prevent the costumer from buying crap.

[skinnywattie]

"Dont forget, its not about creating the best tank in the world, its about creating the tank the customer asks for. If they ask for a slow crawling, heavily armored beast with a gun that can destroy nearly everything, they can have it. Hell, even if they want a Maus, I am willing to sell it if I can make good profit. My task it to sell tanks and make as much profit as I can, not to prevent the costumer from buying crap."

haha, perfectly said!

Spoken like Ferdinand Porshe himself.

TBF I hadnt even considered having the Maus in the game. Now that would be REALLY interesting. You'd probably run out of global resources making just one of them.

[Bourky]

I think the Maus isn't practical from a game perspective because it never went in to production, only two examples were made and never got past the testing phase. I like creating some interesting designs and mixing and matching foreign components on different tanks etc, but lest keep to components that actually did exist and were produced in numbers.

[Dirty Sanchez]

skinnywattie の投稿を引用：

haha, perfectly said!

Spoken like Ferdinand Porshe himself.

TBF I hadnt even considered having the Maus in the game. Now that would be REALLY interesting. You'd probably run out of global resources making just one of them.

Haha, thx.

With the current ressource production for sure, but devs already said there will be adjustments.

Bourky の投稿を引用：

I think the Maus isn't practical from a game perspective because it never went in to production, only two examples were made and never got past the testing phase. I like creating some interesting designs and mixing and matching foreign components on different tanks etc, but lest keep to components that actually did exist and were produced in numbers.

Well, there are already many prototype tanks in the game and its necessary. Basically every german tank before Panzer I was a prototype and not produced in huge numbers. After WW2 till today, there are only 2 german tank designs which made it into production, the Leopard 1 and 2. They have to include prototypes and/or other vehicles like IFVs, APCs and SPGs to fill that gap.

[Tal'Raziid]

I'd love to see more tank types enter the WW2 era/all eras later.
Like Amphibious designs. And weirder modules like rocket racks on turrets (Calliope my beloved funni)

[skinnywattie]

I think once the game is opened up to modding, then we will see a Cambrian explosion of tanks added by the community. A Pz IV with sloped armour, sure, why not? Panther F with night fighting equipment? You got it.

I just want to eventually see my very fav tank design, the JS-2 Beast Killer, but I'm not sure that will be added to the base game and maybe as a DLC of tank killers and stugs.

The more i think about it, a Tank Killer dlc would be amazing as a money spinner for the devs.

It would take a bit of tweaking of the base game to balance them out though.
Turret-less tanks weighed less (mostly), were cheaper to build using less resource and man hours. All fair does so far.

However, under the game design, they would have the same engine, fire power, mobility etc as the base tank design. it means they would score the same (or better) but cost much less. They would be so overpoweringly profitable.

The way to fix that would be to have a dynamic where a tank is scored much better on its overall traverse of its gun mount A turret with 360 degrees would score much better than a tank with just a 20 degree arc of fire.

it means we would really have to consider whether its worth having a turret-less design or not and thats a great element of a tank tycoon game.

[Akhorahil]

Yeah, this is going to be monstrous (perhaps except for France :-) ).

They might consider releasing it in two parts to reduce waiting times?