Poison is accident or not

[RemoGamingEST]

One player posted a discussion in 2019:

""""
I've heard a couple of rumors that - if true - could help me out a lot with a certain mission.

I was told the following:

-if a body is found, but it was an accident kill, i can still get silent assassin

-lethal poison ingested by food or drink counts as an accident

Are these statements true?
""""

Are these statemets STILL true or have they changed it? Killed one person with poisoned drink and "body was not found" incomplete. Why?

[RAD-82]

Poison doesn't "count" as an accident, but it does function like an accident as long as you don't grab and drag the body, allowing it to be found and not count against Silent Assassin.

[Chris!!]

Poison counts as accident, but if a challenge requires a body to not be discovered, then it must not be discovered at all, "accidental" death / incapacitation or not.

[Lady Neravin]

İlk olarak Chris!! tarafından gönderildi:

Poison counts as accident, but if a challenge requires a body to not be discovered, then it must not be discovered at all, "accidental" death / incapacitation or not.

Poison does NOT count as accident, as evident by escalations or Freelancer objectives.
If something asks for an accident, poison wont work.

Also ingested poison or syringe poison are functionally the same, as long as nobody sees you.

But what RAD-82 said: It works similar, as in it will not void SA as long as the body is not moved (just like an accident)

[Chris!!]

I see.

[Ser Calenhad]

Been only dabbling with rat poison so far in the Training Facility shenanigans so this is good to know.

How do they know it's not a suicide, or accident?
Can't imagine there's a doctor+coroner on site immediately very often, besides, one could for example ingest small amounts of some poison(s) to increase their tolerance, party hard, etc.

A voter for total realism and immersion here, so maybe the modders find these sorta solutions. ^^

[Lady Neravin]

İlk olarak Ser Calenhad tarafından gönderildi:

Been only dabbling with rat poison so far in the Training Facility shenanigans so this is good to know.

How do they know it's not a suicide, or accident?
Can't imagine there's a doctor+coroner on site immediately very often, besides, one could for example ingest small amounts of some poison(s) to increase their tolerance, party hard, etc.

A voter for total realism and immersion here, so maybe the modders find these sorta solutions. ^^

They just know something is fishy if you drag the body for 0,01 cm

[Talon]

İlk olarak Ser Calenhad tarafından gönderildi:

Been only dabbling with rat poison so far in the Training Facility shenanigans so this is good to know.

How do they know it's not a suicide, or accident?
Can't imagine there's a doctor+coroner on site immediately very often, besides, one could for example ingest small amounts of some poison(s) to increase their tolerance, party hard, etc.

A voter for total realism and immersion here, so maybe the modders find these sorta solutions. ^^

The challenges for poison kills indicates that the poison that 47 uses is tasteless and traceless. So, it's possible that it just mimics a heart attack when it kills whoever ingests it or has it injected into them.

Although that latter bit would be suspect seeing as syringes tend to leave behind small marks and bruising.

[RemoGamingEST]

For people here, I have to clips of murdering 2 targets, one I threw out of the window, other one I poisoned. Both got un-noticed kill. Maybe somebody can tell me, what I did wrong, so I would not do it again.

1st target
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DlHZWlAbWYK6-XBtYMkZZ9SxMAL3YGWN/view
2nd target
https://drive.google.com/file/d/130YBCKdPjmB_73nBU4mGLhukIxVfBHU7/view

[Lunos]

What are you asking for exactly? Both kills went off exactly as they should have. No one saw you actually murder them so it's an unnoticed kill.

[RAD-82]

As far as I can tell, neither of those kills appear to be related to your issue of failing to get Silent Assassin. I would have to guess that something else must have happened in your mission that caused a body to be found.

You might also try going into the options and turning on the Silent Assassin tracker. It will put green guns by the mini-map that let you know if you are still succeeding at Silent Assassin, or red guns when you've failed Silent Assassin.

[RemoGamingEST]

İlk olarak Lunos tarafından gönderildi:

What are you asking for exactly? Both kills went off exactly as they should have. No one saw you actually murder them so it's an unnoticed kill.

Yeah, but I did not get SA because "bodies was not found" was incomplete. So why I failed or they have changed the game someway and I failed because of that? Insted of SA I got ICA something (SA is 5 star, 4 star one I got).

[Lunos]

Neither poison nor accidents count against SA as long as no one sees you do it and the bodies are not moved. If you have a "No Bodies Found" objective then that will fail however. I can't speak for the campaign Silent Assassin since I don't play that mode but in Freelancer, Silent Assassin will not be compromised from either of these kills. I agree with RAD, turn on your SA tracker to see where you failed it because it was not form either of these kills.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Unnoticed kill is the kill you did while not around target BUT you still need to hide the body except accident kills. Poison is not accident because they're latched into poison kill unless rat poison + kick when they vomit into cliff or sort

[Lady Neravin]

İlk olarak LArc7thHeaven tarafından gönderildi:

Unnoticed kill is the kill you did while not around target BUT you still need to hide the body except accident kills. Poison is not accident because they're latched into poison kill unless rat poison + kick when they vomit into cliff or sort

You can stab them with a syringe in the middle of a crowd, as long as no one sees you doing it, you will maintain SA. Poison kills are not accident kills, but work the same mechanically.

[FreshMint]

Yeah just to be clear;
Accident kills are an entirely different thing, though IIRC drowning someone who had emetic poison happens to be an accident kill (?).
However, when a character is poisoned, lethal or not, characters around them will not suspect murder, so it won't void SA.

SA is generally voided by a couple things;
Non-target kills.
Being caught on camera and not deleting the recordings (displayed as yellow on the SA indicator).
People spotting bodies that aren't untouched accident/poison kills. (ie. if you shot the target and someone finds the body)
People spotting you doing illegal/being suspicious of you, this includes being caught trespassing even if a guard safely guided you back outside.

Of course it's fine if your target sees you do things, so long as they don't get the chance to tell on you.


By the way if it helps; If you are in a chef or otherwise food related disguise applying poison to food is not seen as illegal (very spicy condiments?).