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steadfast 21 stycznia 2022 o 11:22
Steam is the "only" platform to make a demo from a free starter pack for Hitman 3
:steamthumbsdown: Steam is the only platform across all, PC, XBOX, PS, etc, to make a demo from a free starter pack for Hitman 3. On almost all other places you can play the full Hitman 2 (and 1) inside this starter pack if you already owned the previous copies and linked it on IOI.
That way you could enjoy all the new features, including the new camera, before buying the basic/full hitman 3.

But no, Steam decided that it was too much goodness to give that to it's customers. Why would they allow you to have anything for free even if all the competition did exactly that... Way to go greedy Steam Managers/Shareholders ...

Also the demo is full of bugs, lagging, saving each 3 seconds, almost impossible to play or enjoy so i really am wondering if the full game is as bad as the demo...
I would recommend you to wait maybe 3 months, until possibly the bugs are fixed and you can buy with an enormous discount.
After all the game is very small, comparing it to Hitman 1 and 2. I played it in Epic so i know and i paid 14 euros for it so asking 60 euros in Steam after out for a full year is an insult to Steam customers.
Maybe with the new content they are doing for year 2 it might compensate the high price they are asking for.
We will see.

STEAM, i do hope you go back in your decision and unlock the FREE STARTER PACK and GIVE US THE SAME AS EPIC / XBOX / STADIA / PS / AND SO MANY OTHER PLATFORMS.
DELETE THE DEMO AND GIVE US A PROPER FREE STARTER PACK!!!


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Valve / Steam just publishes the games but Demos and prices are decided by the developers ***

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steam didnt decide this, IO gets to choose if their game has a demo or not

Are you sure about that? Why would IOI make in all platforms a free starter pack with all access to previous hitman 1/2 and only in Steam a demo? I find that hard to believe... Then why are they punishing Steam users that have been so loyal to them all these years?

1. If they cared about steam users the game would have been on Steam a year ago

2. If they cared about steam users the game wouldn't be half price right now on other platforms that aren't steam

3. If they cared about steam users the simple fact that the game has been as much as 80% in the past year might translate to not trying to ask full price for the game when they finally did bring it to steam

Those 3 things alone show you what they think of you as a steam user

As for why it's a demo and not a starter pack? Two very obvious and simple reasons stand out, but first let's remind you that they did a starter pack for Hitman 2 on Steam, they know the results.

1. By offering a free starter pack, many steam users took the free starter pack, imported their old content free and then wait to buy the rest of the game for cheaper. By doing a stand alone demo, they are intentionally blocking you from being able to do this, Impatient people or sheep will cave and buy the game full price

2. They know what they did with the epic release annoyed a lot of people, a free starter pack would let people post reviews without spending money. By making it a demo, the only people who can post reviews have to pay for the game. This way, they don't truly have to care whether you post a negative review, you paid them either way. (and before you say that you can just post a negative review and refund ~ realize that review bombs like this can be removed as against the rules and they put the account at risk of being banned from being allowed to use the refund system in the future; so a lot fewer people will review/refund than would otherwise have posted a free negative review. So the majority of negative reviews that will remain visible, ioi still made a profit from)

So it's very simple, a demo makes them more money and let's them report/remove at least some of the review bombs if the person doesn't post a valid review prior to refunding

They don't care about you, and every decision is based on getting as much money as possible. Just like the packages with overlapping content that do not price adjust based on what you own or the lack of clear explanations on some of the bundles in the hopes that people will buy content they might otherwise get free once their accounts are linked, but if you pay in advance you get to pay twice.

Or the one-time only use transfers, or the many other anti-consumer practices in effect here.

You think ioi cares about you? They don't even care about the franchise, don't get me started on how low quality some of the new missions are or the poor price to value ratio of the lack of content compared to the previous two games in the trilogy, etc.

Even the access passes are a joke, there's cut content, fewer challenges, dumbed down challenges and even fewer achievements and more of the unlocks shoved into the mastery system so the sheep don't need to think too hard
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steadfast 25 stycznia 2022 o 2:24 
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I love how people are raging there's no starter pack knowing full-well they're going to reviewbomb the game the second it drops over no discount

I would not review bomb the game if i had the chance to play the starter pack on steam. Even if i am against they putting the full price, specially because the week before you could purchase it on Epic for 14 euros using Epic bonus coupon, but i do not mind waiting for a sale on Steam. And i have the game on Epic so i would purchase it again on Steam just to have the whole collection on the same place.
However, they targeted and punished all the Steam users by doing a demo only for Steam. All other businesses received a full free starter pack. I am mostly upset with IOI because the users that have their whole collection, the faithful PC fans that have followed them in their whole journey of Hitman since the beginning when there was no Epic or any other platform, those are the ones that were left behind. They are not damaging Valve/Steam, they are hurting the fans that were always there for them, even when they did Absolution.
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pt 25 stycznia 2022 o 2:48 
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I love how people are raging there's no starter pack knowing full-well they're going to reviewbomb the game the second it drops over no discount

I would not review bomb the game if i had the chance to play the starter pack on steam. Even if i am against they putting the full price, specially because the week before you could purchase it on Epic for 14 euros using Epic bonus coupon, but i do not mind waiting for a sale on Steam. And i have the game on Epic so i would purchase it again on Steam just to have the whole collection on the same place.
However, they targeted and punished all the Steam users by doing a demo only for Steam. All other businesses received a full free starter pack. I am mostly upset with IOI because the users that have their whole collection, the faithful PC fans that have followed them in their whole journey of Hitman since the beginning when there was no Epic or any other platform, those are the ones that were left behind. They are not damaging Valve/Steam, they are hurting the fans that were always there for them, even when they did Absolution.
Agree
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steadfast 25 stycznia 2022 o 2:50 
Początkowo opublikowane przez SeeNoWeevil:
I love how people are raging there's no starter pack knowing full-well they're going to reviewbomb the game the second it drops over no discount

And if i did a review for this game i would say that i would have expected a greater game but i was disappointed by how fast i finished the game.
It was very small, compared with the HM1 and 2.
The story was okay but it had only 6 episodes and they were very easy and short.
Even the Deluxe version does not extend the game with more independent episodes like the previous games.
The most positive thing of the game is that you have the possibility of replaying also the HM1 and 2 inside the game.
HM3 alone does not mach the greatness of the previous games.
Maybe i was expecting too much, being the last Hitman game... And i think that review would be a fair assessment of the HM3 game. Too short and not enough extra contracts/episodes...
What they are now doing on year 2, the Arcade mode, is just kind of Elusive targets/escalations mode. Maybe because most players were complaining about the game being too short for the ending of the Hitman series/game.
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Marauder Shields 25 stycznia 2022 o 4:18 
Początkowo opublikowane przez SeeNoWeevil:
I love how people are raging there's no starter pack knowing full-well they're going to reviewbomb the game the second it drops over no discount
People are "review bombing" it now (according to your logic), zero difference so far.
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SeeNoWeevil 25 stycznia 2022 o 4:21 
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I love how people are raging there's no starter pack knowing full-well they're going to reviewbomb the game the second it drops over no discount
People are "review bombing" it now (according to your logic), zero difference so far.
Lol this is NOTHING compared to what would happen if a free version went out.

Afaik, no other platform has reviews for free versions affecting the paid release.
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Marauder Shields 25 stycznia 2022 o 4:29 
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People are "review bombing" it now (according to your logic), zero difference so far.
Lol this is NOTHING compared to what would happen if a free version went out.

Afaik, no other platform has reviews for free versions affecting the paid release.
Oh, so what's happening now is NOT review bombing, despite most of the negative reviews being about the discount? The amount of reviews is what matters in determining what is "review bombing" and what is a normal launch period reviews?

Damn son, make up your mind already.
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SeeNoWeevil 25 stycznia 2022 o 5:06 
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Lol this is NOTHING compared to what would happen if a free version went out.

Afaik, no other platform has reviews for free versions affecting the paid release.
Oh, so what's happening now is NOT review bombing, despite most of the negative reviews being about the discount? The amount of reviews is what matters in determining what is "review bombing" and what is a normal launch period reviews?

Damn son, make up your mind already.
Look, I honestly don't think I'm gonna be able to simplify it down any further for you - work with me here, come on..

IOI release free version = negative reviews go brrrrr
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Kunovega 25 stycznia 2022 o 7:38 
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Lol this is NOTHING compared to what would happen if a free version went out.

Afaik, no other platform has reviews for free versions affecting the paid release.
Oh, so what's happening now is NOT review bombing, despite most of the negative reviews being about the discount? The amount of reviews is what matters in determining what is "review bombing" and what is a normal launch period reviews?

Damn son, make up your mind already.

It's a question of volume, use your head.

Right now in order to post a negative review you have to actually buy the product. If someone keeps it, ioi wins, they get free money no matter if there's a complaint attached. And for those who post a negative and then refund, that review had better be within the Steam guidelines or ioi reports it and get it removed. If a review gets removed and the account flagged for review bombing, that account can lose future refund privileges for other games.

You can watch for yourself (assuming you know how to pay attention) from day to day the number of negative reviews that go up and then the number drops and then goes up again. The trend of negative reviews has averaged +200 -100 a day compared to positive reviews hovering in the +100 a day range (not being reported and taken down.

Day one and with each peak day influx the review % spikes down to "mostly negative" and then ioi reports a bunch, Steam removes anything they feel is a "review bomb" and only leaves up whatever their opinion of a "valid review" is and thus they've maintained a mixed rating most of the time.

Now imagine (if you can) what would happen if there was no risk of your account being flagged and it cost nothing to post a negative review, instead of 100 a day being flagged as review bombs, they'd have 1000's.

Hitman 1 has 30,000 reviews after 6 years (no free starter pack, it's a demo)
Hitman 2 has over 60,000 reviews after 4 years (free starter pack)
Hitman 3 has barely 800 (after having at least 500 removed over the last 5 days)

You think 100 review bombs a day is hard to moderate? Imagine 10,000 a day from annoyed Hitman 2 fans.

Right now the only people review bombing have to be mad enough to put up the money and risk losing their future ability to refund games, or some of them go over the 2 hour play limit and get stuck with it, so ioi gets paid for it. If you remove those two risks, a lot more people would be willing to complain. Instead the majority of annoyed customers just leave.
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