Crown Wars: The Black Prince

Crown Wars: The Black Prince

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redsimonDE Sep 20, 2023 @ 11:15am
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Female warriors?
Judging from the preview images on the store page it seems the game will feature women as frontline warriors. Is that correct? Is that another fantasy element present throughout the game? What is the percentage of female characters? Will the opponent forces also have female characters on the battlefield?
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Chocolate Pie Kitten Jan 8, 2024 @ 4:44am 
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Originally posted by redsimonDE:
Judging from the preview images on the store page it seems the game will feature women as frontline warriors. Is that correct? Is that another fantasy element present throughout the game? What is the percentage of female characters? Will the opponent forces also have female characters on the battlefield?

It is not because the past was a world of oppression toward women that we need for the sake of "historaly accuracy" cancel them. The usual excuse of haters. It is a game not an history simulation
redsimonDE Jan 8, 2024 @ 6:11am 
Originally posted by Chocolate Pie Kitten:
It is not because the past was a world of oppression toward women that we need for the sake of "historaly accuracy" cancel them. The usual excuse of haters. It is a game not an history simulation
I disagree, I think in the past men and women had their dedicated places and it worked better than what we have now, at least in European societies.
If you make something historically accurate you "cancel" noone, that statement is simply nonsense. What you make is how it was in a particular time and space, and you add or remove as little as possible, only what is necessary for the particular media.
A game can be historically accurate, just like any media, that statement is also nonsense.
Accordingly, there is no "hate" in what I asked ( it was a list of questions, not statements, so already difficult to put "hate" in there to begin with).
I would say there is "hate" in your post though, so if the shoe fits, wear it.
Rhalius Feb 5, 2024 @ 11:09am 
You can choose if your companions are male or female, I have not seen female enemies yet.

Considering there's some occult stuff and all that going on it's not exactly a history simulation either. Funny how people like this always seem to find that stuff more plausible than women wielding weapons. In a turn based game where everyone politely waits their turn, just like in real life of course.
redsimonDE Feb 5, 2024 @ 11:23am 
Originally posted by Rhalius:
Considering there's some occult stuff and all that going on it's not exactly a history simulation either. Funny how people like this always seem to find that stuff more plausible than women wielding weapons. In a turn based game where everyone politely waits their turn, just like in real life of course.
The store page proudly speaks of 100-years-war and 14th century France as setting.
If the game had no connection to it or any history, they would not have mentioned it.
Besides, I was not talking abou women wiedling weapons, but fighting as frontline warriors. Details matter.

As for turn-based games, that's a poor try at gaslighting. Turns are a simplification to make a game playable easier if it's not a real-time game. There is no other option if you don'twant to design a real-time game.
Turtler Feb 5, 2024 @ 12:10pm 
To be completely fair, it was rare for females to fight - especially in any kind of professional capacity - but not at all completely unheard of. Jeanne of Arc is the most famous (though it is somewhat debatable how much she counted because she claimed to have never used her sword and merely carried a banner during battle and nobody I know can disprove it, though she was a military commander, and sometimes a ruthless one). However, Jeanne de Penthièvre also basically lead her faction of the Bretons almost singlehandedly after her husband was captured in battlee.

And of course you had a bunch of semi-armed camp followers or women who fought when their towns or cities faced pillage.

Of course these were exceptional cases, and in the case of the two Jeannes they were either aristocratic in their own right or in the case of the Maid of Arc given aristocratic patronage and equipment. But it isn't quite as fantastical as one might think.
redsimonDE Feb 5, 2024 @ 12:30pm 
Originally posted by Turtler:
To be completely fair, it was rare for females to fight - especially in any kind of professional capacity - but not at all completely unheard of. Jeanne of Arc is the most famous (though it is somewhat debatable how much she counted because she claimed to have never used her sword and merely carried a banner during battle and nobody I know can disprove it, though she was a military commander, and sometimes a ruthless one). However, Jeanne de Penthièvre also basically lead her faction of the Bretons almost singlehandedly after her husband was captured in battlee.
Thank you for making my point for me. Female leaders (usually nobles, with Jeanne d'Arc being a famous exception) did indeed exist, but were the exception. What did not exist were female frontline warriors, soldiers.

And of course you had a bunch of semi-armed camp followers or women who fought when their towns or cities faced pillage.
Camp followers were women employed for cooking, cleaning and as prostitutes. They followed armies on campaign.

Of course these were exceptional cases, and in the case of the two Jeannes they were either aristocratic in their own right or in the case of the Maid of Arc given aristocratic patronage and equipment. But it isn't quite as fantastical as one might think.
It is as fantastical as I said, which you have confirmed with your own words above (again, thank you for that).

My guess is you know already what I said is true, but it contradicts your world view so disagree with me based on ideology, not on facts (there are none on your side, but that's just an aggravating factor). I want to encourage you to be a bit more courageous next time and admit the truth, even when you don't like it.
Turtler Feb 5, 2024 @ 12:49pm 
Originally posted by redsimonDE:
Thank you for making my point for me. Female leaders (usually nobles, with Jeanne d'Arc being a famous exception) did indeed exist, but were the exception. What did not exist were female frontline warriors, soldiers.

I wasn't trying to make anybody's point but history's, and I largely agree with you. That said, we know full well that Jeanne de Penthièvre did fight in armor and with knightly arms on many occasions (MOSTLY defensive sieges, but a few others), and of course a besieging army could expect desperate women to take up arms to fight rather than be killed or worse. And apparently this sometimes spread into "stasis" or civil war within cities when the Armagnacs and Burgundians killed each other. Parisian women got quite a bad reputation for being staunch Burgundian supporters.

But that wouldn't mean the Duke of Burgundy would go around recruiting them into his standing force.

Originally posted by redsimonDE:
But professional female soldiers were basically nonexistent. Even female aristocrats or the like fighting as men at arms was stretching it, and the rest usually did it out of desperation.

And as a result a bunch of them did pick up SOME weapons or tactics, and we have a bunch of accounts of them killing the wounded of the other side after victories. Of course some of this was doubtless propaganda to demonize the other side and particularly hammer their women, but it stands to reason some were based on truth.

Of course, that hardly means they would be in full plate armor with a polearm. It's one thing to go around killing stragglers or the wounded after a battle, another to fight in it itself.

Camp followers were women employed for cooking, cleaning and as prostitutes. They followed armies on campaign.

Originally posted by redsimonDE:
It is as fantastical as I said, which you have confirmed with your own words above (again, thank you for that).

Not trying to deny it.

Originally posted by redsimonDE:
My guess is you know already what I said is true, but it contradicts your world view so disagree with me based on ideology, not on facts

Let me get this straight. I put forth a case based on history - as you full admit - in which I expressly stated it was meant to be "completely fair" and the like, and you automatically assume I am opposed to you, and because of ideology?

Get your head out of your ass and stop looking for a fight.

Originally posted by redsimonDE:
(there are none on your side, but that's just an aggravating factor).

"On my side?"

You've openly admitted I have a good grasp of the facts, and that they often agree with you. So it sounds like you're conflating me with anyone else who disagrees with you.

And being a boorish fool in the process.

Originally posted by redsimonDE:
I want to encourage you to be a bit more courageous next time and admit the truth, even when you don't like it.

Mate, I've volunteered to track Islamist paramilitary groups around on the homefront. I have nothing to prove to you on the subject of courage.

Now try and stop being an idiot making enemies, even of people who largely agree with you.
Zapp Brannigan Feb 5, 2024 @ 3:40pm 
History didn't have zombies and magic either, we get it you hate to see women in any media even if it's optional.
Turtler Feb 5, 2024 @ 3:45pm 
Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:
History didn't have zombies and magic either, we get it you hate to see women in any media even if it's optional.

To be fair, it isn't strictly optional. The tutorial features female characters in rather unlikely (to put it mildly) roles, and from my startup about half of the characters were female.

Zombies and magic weren't a thing in real life, but I do think it undermines the verisimilitude of the game world, especially in contrast to say the Plague Tale or even Mordheim settings, which have this stuff explained in fairly great detail and in ways that fit the setting.
redsimonDE Feb 5, 2024 @ 4:34pm 
Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:
History didn't have zombies and magic either, we get it you hate to see women in any media even if it's optional.
Always the same strawman arguments. Noone was talking about women in media except you.
I don't even know anyone who dislikes female characters.

What many people including me however dislike is for any group, including women, being shoehorned somewhere where they historically don't belong, just for preaching a "message", instead of based on story.

Btw it's the publishers/developers who insist on a historical setting, not me. This could have easily been a complete fantasy setting just inspired by the 100 years war. But that would be bad for virtue-signaling and would get no ESG money.

Does this game provide any explanation for why women suddenly are capable of surviving or even winning against men in melee combat? No, they are just there so that, you can already guess, the developers/publishers can virtue-signal and/or collect ESG money.
Zapp Brannigan Feb 5, 2024 @ 4:43pm 
Originally posted by redsimonDE:
Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:
History didn't have zombies and magic either, we get it you hate to see women in any media even if it's optional.
Always the same strawman arguments. Noone was talking about women in media except you.
I don't even know anyone who dislikes female characters.

What many people including me however dislike is for any group, including women, being shoehorned somewhere where they historically don't belong, just for preaching a "message", instead of based on story.

Btw it's the publishers/developers who insist on a historical setting, not me. This could have easily been a complete fantasy setting just inspired by the 100 years war. But that would be bad for virtue-signaling and would get no ESG money.

Does this game provide any explanation for why women suddenly are capable of surviving or even winning against men in melee combat? No, they are just there so that, you can already guess, the developers/publishers can virtue-signal and/or collect ESG money.
By many people you mean a loud crying minority who look to be offended constantly right?
If the devs want women in the game then it's their choice nobody cares but losers like you, it's not "virtue-signalling" and "ESG money" (imagine making a RTTRPG if you wanted money).

Get off the youtube quatering and archwarhammer videos my dude and get some fresh air.
Rhalius Feb 6, 2024 @ 12:43am 
Only in the tutorial women on your team are not optional, you can change the gender of anyone on your team as soon as you have your barracks where you can customise soldiers.

It's a game, and half the potential playerbase are women. Most men aren't bothered about the presence of women either and might just be happy to at least have extra options.

Feel free to not have any women in your force or limit them to specific classes. Maybe someone else wants to have a team of black women fight for France dressed in gold armour.
Wizard Lizard Feb 6, 2024 @ 3:11am 
game starts with a female warrior in full plate armor using a war hammer
lmao.

alt+f4
outsider Feb 6, 2024 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Wizard Lizard:
game starts with a female warrior in full plate armor using a war hammer
lmao.

alt+f4

the same, deleted demo, ignored game at store page
no questions
Originally posted by Deadgoroth:
Incels are out, I mean in, again eh ?

Reported for using misandrist slang. OP didn't even insult anyone just asked a question.
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