So, who do we consider strong or weak? Tierlist?

[MahouKurein]

Do you have a tierlist or a personal bias towards a hero? Who's strong or weak to you?

[Jouchebag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/1cdz9yj/character_tier_list_end_game/

That's pretty accurate.

I think Yusuke deserves A-tier (he's got as much punch as Yuferius and an armor piercing strike) and it mentions Leene is left off but deserves S-tier.

[RDG]

Poor Faye has a special garbage tier list just for her lol

[C4rnif3X]

I'm still early on, but shouldn't Yume be in garbage tier as well? (The little girl on the monster.)

Initially has stats on par with a single character, yet takes up 2 spots. So it's like you're just handicapping yourself getting rid of one spot. Unless i'm missing something, or she develops into a beast stat wise - I don't see the reason for use.

[MahouKurein]

Publicado originalmente por C4rnif3X:

I'm still early on, but shouldn't Yume be in garbage tier as well? (The little girl on the monster.)

Initially has stats on par with a single character, yet takes up 2 spots. So it's like you're just handicapping yourself getting rid of one spot. Unless i'm missing something, or she develops into a beast stat wise - I don't see the reason for use.

She does get better, yea, and her unique rune is quite strong especially for the cost.

[ratedrpersona]

Publicado originalmente por RDG:

Poor Faye has a special garbage tier list just for her lol

to be fair there were many characters like her in Suikodens but people like to forget about what was lacking in the 'good old days'. At least she puts her life on the battlefield. Eiyuden cast is way more balanced.

Example: Perry, Barnard and Jorhan are war unit captain/general. Francesca hits harder than the early game mages and heals on the battlefield, Zabi has S foraging, Pohl is the tank guy, Carrie is the teleporter thus a VVIP in her own right so she aint gotta be good at fighting.

If you take off the nostalgia tainted glass and look at Suikoden 2 cast again you will realise the worst characters are really nothing more than sidemen rather than a 'star of destiny'.

[The_Box]

Publicado originalmente por ratedrpersona:

Publicado originalmente por RDG:

Poor Faye has a special garbage tier list just for her lol

to be fair there were many characters like her in Suikodens but people like to forget about what was lacking in the 'good old days'. Eiyuden cast is way more balanced.

There are a handful of objectively bad characters, though often it feels more like there were just mistakes made when creating their stat blocks. Like Prunella, for example. Ranged character, LOADS of physical attack, but all her attacks do magic damage instead, and her magic attack is garbage.

Yet she has a bazooka... Visually, she telegraphs as a physical attacker. I think she just got the wrong stat block, or the person setting the stats wasn't talking to the person creating the attacks.

[ratedrpersona]

Yeah Prunella was underwhelming for a 50k signing. She highlights the lack of effort put into weapon type damage in this game. I picked her for the ice cave or vs rock monsters cos I expected her weapon type to do well but she hit softer than most other characters! At least she has an above average war unit

[The_Box]

Publicado originalmente por ratedrpersona:

Yeah Prunella was underwhelming for a 50k signing. She highlights the lack of effort put into weapon type damage in this game. I picked her for the ice cave or vs rock monsters cos I expected her weapon type to do well but she hit softer than most other characters! At least she has an above average war unit

I reckon if someone just swapped her attack and magic stats, or changed her attacks to physical damage instead of earth, she'd actually fit in perfectly and be balanced well.

... Excuse me, I need to go post in the balance mod thread.

[MahouKurein]

I suggest people who think that Eiyuden is more balanced than Suikoden games to replay both. There are heroes in Hundred Heroes (pun intended lol) where they are completely useless especially compared to some others due to rune slots, and let's not even talk about how defence is calculated in this game where you have a cast that take literally 1 point damage and some others almost getting oneshotted at the same level and there's so much one can do. In Suikoden games, maily due to rune slot, you could make even heroes like Tuta useful somehow, where here Faye is doomed in every scenario and there's no way she becomes somewhat useful.

[ratedrpersona]

Publicado originalmente por MahouKurein:

I suggest people who think that Eiyuden is more balanced than Suikoden games to replay both. There are heroes in Hundred Heroes (pun intended lol) where they are completely useless especially compared to some others due to rune slots, and let's not even talk about how defence is calculated in this game where you have a cast that take literally 1 point damage and some others almost getting oneshotted at the same level and there's so much one can do. In Suikoden games, maily due to rune slot, you could make even heroes like Tuta useful somehow, where here Faye is doomed in every scenario and there's no way she becomes somewhat useful.

i see this as a game design flaw and/or balancing issues not the character being useless. Tuta and the 5 useless squirrels did FA the entire game for starters. Cute heroes in Eiyuden actually make themselves feel like contributing something. Just to be clear I am leaning towards overall war efforts which includes everything from running entertainment zones,shops, economic hubs(farms, pasturage, mine, fisheries etc) to being a sub-unit captain or fighting on the battlefield rather than joining Nowa on quests.

[BeefoTheBold]

Well, first off there is Leene and then there is just...everybody else. A properly built Leene is so much more powerful than all other characters in the game that it is kinda ridiculous. There is a reason you can't unlock her until you unlock literally every other character in the game.

The rest of my end game party ended up being Momo, Nowa, Iugo and Dijkstra and Isha.

I polished off the final turn based combat boss in a single turn. (Warcry ability by Dijkstra is awesome with this party.)