Was excited to play this...

[Rich]

But then I heard it's filled with woke crap in the localisation.
Is there any kind of mod that offers the correct Japanese localisation?

[biodegradable]

Zephyr Workshop の投稿を引用：

Mugiwara の投稿を引用：

You just had to do this didn't you?

For anyone neutral or just arriving upon these forums see here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1658280/discussions/0/4358997268256164439/

There are a plethora's world of screenshots in said discussion for you to decide for yourselves.

I'm going to bow out now. Dealing with you guys is like picking at a scab that just won't heal...

it's ok i'm sure the breitbart comment section misses you

But yeah, dozens of examples, dozens!!! In a game with (I'm still guessing) 500,000 lines of text. And most of the "examples" in that thread are meaningless and don't impact the characters' representation or game experience overall. Not to mention, the OP doesn't even care about incidental lines being localized liberally, he cares about "woke DEI" - so he's going to be in for a rude awakening when he sees all the black people in the game, existing.

i will be honest, if you want to argue in good faith you should

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.
2. stop projecting your own racism onto others

ty

[Melodia]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.

Because the word in its meaning before all the stupid online war happened fits the context in which it's used.

And I'd wager if no one ever brought it up, 97% of people who played the game (at least) would never see it, because
1) You need to recruit an optional character to see it
2) You need to have a specific optional character with you at that time
3) The game still needs to randomly choose her to say something there out of the like four party members that can say something

Yet people are obsessed with this one use of a single word in a very obscure spot as if it somehow ruins the entire game. Really insane.

[Zephyr Workshop]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

Zephyr Workshop の投稿を引用：

it's ok i'm sure the breitbart comment section misses you

But yeah, dozens of examples, dozens!!! In a game with (I'm still guessing) 500,000 lines of text. And most of the "examples" in that thread are meaningless and don't impact the characters' representation or game experience overall. Not to mention, the OP doesn't even care about incidental lines being localized liberally, he cares about "woke DEI" - so he's going to be in for a rude awakening when he sees all the black people in the game, existing.

i will be honest, if you want to argue in good faith you should

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.
2. stop projecting your own racism onto others

ty

Why should I take the time to relitigate a year of arguments that none of you people listened to anyway?

It's just a derogatory term that can be interchanged with bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus, etc. Iirc the JP line is the same. She just says Bakayarou or something. The intentionality is not changed.

It's also an optional line in an optional scene. 90%++ players won't even see it, and would never know they missed it.

It fits the personality of the character who says it, and the character she's calling a chud fits the description. He's a joke character.

The dub actually made him sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger. This change is more liberal and more obvious than this optional micro-line.

You've been gaslit into thinking it matters because losers on Twitter turned it into their outragebait of the week.

OP couldn't point out where the "woke ideological slop" is in this game if someone paid him. You've been lied to and you demand people who actually played the game explain that to you. It's obnoxious.

[Zephyr Workshop]

Melodia の投稿を引用：

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.

Because the word in its meaning before all the stupid online war happened fits the context in which it's used.

And I'd wager if no one ever brought it up, 97% of people who played the game (at least) would never see it, because
1) You need to recruit an optional character to see it
2) You need to have a specific optional character with you at that time
3) The game still needs to randomly choose her to say something there out of the like four party members that can say something

Yet people are obsessed with this one use of a single word in a very obscure spot as if it somehow ruins the entire game. Really insane.

Lmao I didn't know the line was randomized even if you had her in the party. Because yeah I had her in the party at the time and didn't even get the line.

This is like calling Missingno woke. Literally datamining to feel mad at something.

[The_Box]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

Zephyr Workshop の投稿を引用：

it's ok i'm sure the breitbart comment section misses you

But yeah, dozens of examples, dozens!!! In a game with (I'm still guessing) 500,000 lines of text. And most of the "examples" in that thread are meaningless and don't impact the characters' representation or game experience overall. Not to mention, the OP doesn't even care about incidental lines being localized liberally, he cares about "woke DEI" - so he's going to be in for a rude awakening when he sees all the black people in the game, existing.

i will be honest, if you want to argue in good faith you should

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.
2. stop projecting your own racism onto others

ty

People have. Repeatedly. Over and over. Definitions have been provided, sources for them have been provided, evidence of usage has been provided, and the usage in game is consistent with the provided definitions, where as the insistence that it's some anti-right thing is not even remotely consistent in the context of the characters or scene.

The fact ya'll don't want to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just admit it, you want to be mad, and you want to feel persecuted.

[Llyes]

The_Box の投稿を引用：

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

i will be honest, if you want to argue in good faith you should

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.
2. stop projecting your own racism onto others

ty

People have. Repeatedly. Over and over. Definitions have been provided, sources for them have been provided, evidence of usage has been provided, and the usage in game is consistent with the provided definitions, where as the insistence that it's some anti-right thing is not even remotely consistent in the context of the characters or scene.

The fact ya'll don't want to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just admit it, you want to be mad, and you want to feel persecuted.

Oh good, we're right back to this after all your posts in the thread with hundreds of separate examples where you also recently once again alleged support of the re-translation mod with thousands of edits, the cycle continues undisturbed.

[tankanidis]

Llyes の投稿を引用：

The_Box の投稿を引用：

People have. Repeatedly. Over and over. Definitions have been provided, sources for them have been provided, evidence of usage has been provided, and the usage in game is consistent with the provided definitions, where as the insistence that it's some anti-right thing is not even remotely consistent in the context of the characters or scene.

The fact ya'll don't want to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just admit it, you want to be mad, and you want to feel persecuted.

Oh good, we're right back to this after all your posts in the thread with hundreds of separate examples where you also recently once again alleged support of the re-translation mod with thousands of edits, the cycle continues undisturbed.

"The Cycle must continue!" - Harbinger Box

[Complete Domination]

Well, at least now one of the nuisance is gone but it will return soon with more circular argument no doubt. How many times does this make already? Five? Six? Normally someone so disruptive like this would have earned permaban since the third ban, at the maximum.

[biodegradable]

Zephyr Workshop の投稿を引用：

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

i will be honest, if you want to argue in good faith you should

1. stop trivializing peoples complaints, "chud" should have never made it in the script, stop gaslighting people into accepting this. explain exactly why this word is in the script. stop downplaying it and explain.
2. stop projecting your own racism onto others

ty

Why should I take the time to relitigate a year of arguments that none of you people listened to anyway?

It's just a derogatory term that can be interchanged with bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus, etc. Iirc the JP line is the same. She just says Bakayarou or something. The intentionality is not changed.

It's also an optional line in an optional scene. 90%++ players won't even see it, and would never know they missed it.

It fits the personality of the character who says it, and the character she's calling a chud fits the description. He's a joke character.

The dub actually made him sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger. This change is more liberal and more obvious than this optional micro-line.

You've been gaslit into thinking it matters because losers on Twitter turned it into their outragebait of the week.

OP couldn't point out where the "woke ideological slop" is in this game if someone paid him. You've been lied to and you demand people who actually played the game explain that to you. It's obnoxious.

- then why not just use bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus etc. whatever? that doesn't explain why "chud" was chosen, it just relates to what it means, according to you, because to most other people who are remotely familiar with online discourse it means something very different. i looked up "bakayarou" and it means "you idiot", how do you get chud from that? have you ever heard that word ever used before in a video game? i haven't. what an odd choice wouldn't you say?

- optional doesn't matter, that is not what is being called into question

- that doesn't explain why "chud" was used

- doesn't explain why "chud" was used

- i dont use twitter and i do not follow anti-woke grifters

Anything else man? This is really fun dismantling weak and dishonest arguments :)

[Melodia]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

- then why not just use bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus etc. whatever? that doesn't explain why "chud" was chosen, it just relates to what it means, according to you, because to most other people who are remotely familiar with online discourse it means something very different. i looked up "bakayarou" and it means "you idiot", how do you get chud from that? have you ever heard that word ever used before in a video game? i haven't. what an odd choice wouldn't you say?

Why ever use synonyms? Because variety makes things more interesting.

People keep thinking about how the word 'shoves an agenda' or whatever but from what I can tell the regular usage of the word that people are having a problem with didn';t even come above until well into this game's development. It's certainly possible that this particular line was written before it was even a really known thing.

Looking at Urban Dictionary, one definition is "A unattractive person whose defining characteristic of their personality is their egotism. " which absolutely describes the character in question as he's being presented.

[The_Box]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

Zephyr Workshop の投稿を引用：

Why should I take the time to relitigate a year of arguments that none of you people listened to anyway?

It's just a derogatory term that can be interchanged with bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus, etc. Iirc the JP line is the same. She just says Bakayarou or something. The intentionality is not changed.

It's also an optional line in an optional scene. 90%++ players won't even see it, and would never know they missed it.

It fits the personality of the character who says it, and the character she's calling a chud fits the description. He's a joke character.

The dub actually made him sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger. This change is more liberal and more obvious than this optional micro-line.

You've been gaslit into thinking it matters because losers on Twitter turned it into their outragebait of the week.

OP couldn't point out where the "woke ideological slop" is in this game if someone paid him. You've been lied to and you demand people who actually played the game explain that to you. It's obnoxious.

- then why not just use bonehead, idiot, moron, doofus etc. whatever? that doesn't explain why "chud" was chosen, it just relates to what it means, according to you, because to most other people who are remotely familiar with online discourse it means something very different. i looked up "bakayarou" and it means "you idiot", how do you get chud from that? have you ever heard that word ever used before in a video game? i haven't. what an odd choice wouldn't you say?

- optional doesn't matter, that is not what is being called into question

- that doesn't explain why "chud" was used

- doesn't explain why "chud" was used

- i dont use twitter and i do not follow anti-woke grifters

Anything else man? This is really fun dismantling weak and dishonest arguments :)

It's been explained so, so many times already...

The original definition for Chud was 'A gross, physically unappealing person', which is consistent with how Milana uses it in the scene. It didn't even gain any sort of a political usage until the game was already well into development, and was originally an anti-left insult before shifting usage into being more anti-right. This definition and usage is consistent with what we actually see in game. Its usage as an anti-right term is not even remotely consistent with the ingame usage, so the insistence that it's being usage as such is laughable.

But, as always, these facts will be largely ignored and discarded, because even if this narrative that it was some sort of an anti-right slur isn't consistent with reality, pearls must be clutched. I mean, Mareus isn't even a disliked character, one would think if there was the intent to slip an anti-right slur in, it would have been used against a character that's actually villainous in literally any way instead of a character that's incredibly kind hearted and objectively an ally.

[tankanidis]

Openly politically active USA localisers who are anti-Trump/right wing on their online posts, included an openly USA political insult against 'right wingers' in what was supposed to be their professional and unbiased work of a JAPANESE FANTASY WORLD that has no context of USA politics or what even the word 'chud' would mean. But they put in it, because... they could.



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To help inform people who might not be aware what the SLUR/INSULT 'Chud' is for feedback to the Developers/Publishers:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/25071/chud

"New Word Suggestion
1. (noun, derogatory) a derogatory term use to describe a person on the right spectrum of politics (right-winger) "

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chud

"(chiefly US, Internet slang, sometimes derogatory) A person who is on the political right or who holds socio-political views seen as reactionary.

Some chud on Twitter said The Wall Street Journal was liberal propaganda. (pejorative)
Unlike all those cuckservatives in Congress, this guy's a true chud. (positive)"
"Usage notes
(person on political right): Originally a pejorative"

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/197pnpo/can_someone_please_define_what_chud_actually_means/

"A derogatory term for unpleasant right-wingers."

edit: Proof the localisers knew that Chud was a political insult and used it in that exact fashion:

https://imgur.com/a/RuSj2bA

[The_Box]

tankanidis の投稿を引用：

Oh cool we're doing the whole 'it's been a while, let's pretend no-one went through this all with proof in the past and just reclaim the baseless gaslighting and made up interpretations to deflect the fact that a real life USA political slur against right wingers was included in a Japanese fantasy world game by highly active political activist localisers....


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here we go again
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To help inform people who might not be aware what the SLUR/INSULT 'Chud' is for feedback to the Developers/Publishers:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/25071/chud

"New Word Suggestion
1. (noun, derogatory) a derogatory term use to describe a person on the right spectrum of politics (right-winger) "

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chud

"(chiefly US, Internet slang, sometimes derogatory) A person who is on the political right or who holds socio-political views seen as reactionary.

Some chud on Twitter said The Wall Street Journal was liberal propaganda. (pejorative)
Unlike all those cuckservatives in Congress, this guy's a true chud. (positive)"
"Usage notes
(person on political right): Originally a pejorative"

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/197pnpo/can_someone_please_define_what_chud_actually_means/

"A derogatory term for unpleasant right-wingers."

edit: Proof the localisers knew that Chud was a political insult and used it in that exact fashion:

https://imgur.com/a/RuSj2bA

Nothing about that disproves anything I just said, and your image is still just as misleading now as it was the first time you posted it, as those other posts are not from that user. The only post in that image from Casey Loe was just telling somebody how to use the search function, and then other posts from other unrelated users in a very active forum.

Though now that you repost it again, it does give me a chance to check something else. The dates. Again, 'chud's usage as an anti-right thing is very new, and I notice all the posts you're citing in that image are from March of 2023, which is consistent with about the time it started gaining traction as an anti-right thing.

However, per Murayama-san's discord Q&A in February of 2023, the entire English localisation had already been completed as of that date, lending credibility to the idea that this was simply an obscure word that was used in accordance with its existing definition that gained a secondary meaning well after the line had already been written.

EDIT: Also, I'm really amused by the fact that someone's using reddit, wiktionary and collins as sources here and demanding they be taken very seriously when the same person has repeatedly attacked other people for using similar sources, demanding that they're not reliable sources. The hypocrisy is fascinating.

[biodegradable]

They will never argue in good faith. They will make 5000 rationalizations for this obvious word not belonging in a video game but if the shoe was on the other foot make no mistake these people would put all the stops to make sure the localizer was named and shamed. The difference is if there were a "right wing" localization I would also push back against it because I don't like weird politics in games period. I'm just honest enough to push back on both sides of the aisle ....

Whatever, I'm done here, there is simply no way for them to be honest, might as well argue with a wall, either way I'm not giving this trash my sale if it requires a never ending sea of shills to justify bad localization choices. Political or not, its simply bad.

[The_Box]

left 4 unread の投稿を引用：

They will never argue in good faith. They will make 5000 rationalizations for this obvious word not belonging in a video game but if the shoe was on the other foot make no mistake these people would put all the stops to make sure the localizer was named and shamed. The difference is if there were a "right wing" localization I would also push back against it because I don't like weird politics in games period. I'm just honest enough to push back on both sides of the aisle ....

Whatever, I'm done here, there is simply no way for them to be honest, might as well argue with a wall, either way I'm not giving this trash my sale if it requires a never ending sea of shills to justify bad localization choices. Political or not, its simply bad.

Yeah, so would I. But again, the usage in game is not consistent with its usage as a right ring slur, it's even used against a character that joins the party. It is, however, consistent with its prior existing definition. It just doesn't make even a lick of sense in context that this is meant as an anti-right slur.